Forced licence progression

[caseye]

To issue a stand-alone New Zealand photo ID card to ALL citizens (School age and above is used overseas). With re-issue required in similar time frames to the drivers license. With a requirement for it to be carried at ALL times. Automatic arrest and/or heavy fines for those that don't carry it.

The more that flout the current system ... the more likely it will happen.

I'd flout it on principal FJ.
The notion that I must carry an exclusive Identity card is abhorrent to me in every sense.
Where do we live again? oh that's right Nazi NZ. fines and arrest for walking your own streets, no fucking way hos'e.
Now RM, Scummy,riddle me this, is it true that if asked to present your drivers licence you must do so , if of course you have earned the right to have one of those nice shiny things.
Further that if you have earned the right but have failed to have it on your person then the Police offiricer asking can either arrest you for failing to do so or have you fined for same.
This of course occurring on a footpath as you were quietly walking home, smashing car windows minding your own business.
Point being, I'm pretty sure that is the case, whether or not you are in control of a car or not at the time of being asked.
So FJ, you see, it's already here.
Issue each child at birth with a plastic card with sex, eye colour,address and or licences earned and the IRD's number burned into your forehead so each time you go past a facial recognition camera it can log your exact movements each and everyday.
Who wants this sort of shit?
Too late.

[red mermaid]

Nope still wrong because you are assuming instead of fact finding

Actually no, the truth is so obvious even half of it shows what it means. If the DL is use by more than just transport agencies as you have just said, then it is more than just license to operate a vehicle; pretty simple really. Whether that fact has any bearing on the current topic is less clear cut.

[bogan]

Nope still wrong because you are assuming instead of fact finding

Haha, now who's twisting things into half truths and whatnot. I'll make it even simpler for you:

Q: Is the DL used for more than just transport related things?
A: Yes (and this has been fact found)
Q: Is it also the primary form of identification in some non-transport related things?
A: again Yes (again this has been fact found)
Q: Is the DL just a simple license to operate a vehcile
A: No (see above)

I'd even suggest you probably would have asked people for their driver's license that hadn't even been driving.

[FJRider]

I'd flout it on principal FJ.
The notion that I must carry an exclusive Identity card is abhorrent to me in every sense.
Where do we live again? oh that's right Nazi NZ. fines and arrest for walking your own streets, no fucking way hos'e.
Now RM, Scummy,riddle me this, is it true that if asked to present your drivers licence you must do so , if of course you have earned the right to have one of those nice shiny things.
Further that if you have earned the right but have failed to have it on your person then the Police offiricer asking can either arrest you for failing to do so or have you fined for same.
This of course occurring on a footpath as you were quietly walking home, smashing car windows minding your own business.
Point being, I'm pretty sure that is the case, whether or not you are in control of a car or not at the time of being asked.
So FJ, you see, it's already here.
Issue each child at birth with a plastic card with sex, eye colour,address and or licences earned and the IRD's number burned into your forehead so each time you go past a facial recognition camera it can log your exact movements each and everyday.
Who wants this sort of shit?
Too late.

I'm not a cop ... but if you have a drivers license ... it must be carried at all times. If you are not driving at the time .... you can be asked if you have a drivers license (or other ID) to prove who you are.

If none is given ... you can be "detained" ... Fitting the description of/on suspicion of committing an offence ... until such time your identity Guilt/innocence can be ascertained.

Failing to provide the required information can lead to other charges. Including wasting Police time.
Attempting to pervert the course of justice is another favourite. As well as various obstruction charges ...

As I said ... the more that try to flout the current system ... the more likely it will happen. That simple.

[Ocean1]

As I said ... the more that try to flout the current system ... the more likely it will happen. That simple.

How does that work, then?

'Cause I reckon that any ID system is only much good if everyone's details are captured. There's been enough effort made in previous system implimentation to deny people the right to privacy to amply demonstrate that.

So, if enough people tell 'em to fuck off then the system simply won't work for them, will it? Which, in my book makes it much more likely that any system that's too invasive will simply fail and quietly do exactly as the people suggested.

In fact I'd go so far as to say that declining to jump through the required hoops to get a licence that gives anyone more access to your private life than you might like is more than ample reason to refrain from doing so.

Simple enought?

[scumdog]

Now RM, Scummy,riddle me this, is it true that if asked to present your drivers licence you must do so , if of course you have earned the right to have one of those nice shiny things.
Further that if you have earned the right but have failed to have it on your person then the Police offiricer asking can either arrest you for failing to do so or have you fined for same.
This of course occurring on a footpath as you were quietly walking home, smashing car windows minding your own business.
Point being, I'm pretty sure that is the case, whether or not you are in control of a car or not at the time of being asked.
So FJ, you see, it's already here.

You're so...so wrong....

Or so...so..trolling. (I hope so!)

[scumdog]

Haha, now who's twisting things into half truths and whatnot. I'll make it even simpler for you:

Q: Is the DL used for more than just transport related things?
A: Yes (and this has been fact found)
Q: Is it also the primary form of identification in some non-transport related things?
A: again Yes (again this has been fact found)
Q: Is the DL just a simple license to operate a vehcile
A: No (see above)

I'd even suggest you probably would have asked people for their driver's license that hadn't even been driving.

True - but doesn't HAVE to be used for non-transport related things, it's a convenience thing, easier than carrying a passport. (Oh that's right, not EVERYBODY has a passport, sorta like not everybody has a NZ drivers licence)

Pubs use it for ID (nowt to do with transport)
Banks use it (nowt to do with transport)
etc etc

The only true bit is the last question.

Now go and don yer foil hat....

[Harry the Barstard]

Join the Military!

they gave me my 2L to 2 and 4L to 4,6R to 6,D and F all for free...... well kinda, theres ten years gone. Easy come easy go i suppose

[red mermaid]

You are assuming that those companies that pay for access thru driverchek are using it for other than transport related things.

Haha, now who's twisting things into half truths and whatnot. I'll make it even simpler for you:

Q: Is the DL used for more than just transport related things?
A: Yes (and this has been fact found)
Q: Is it also the primary form of identification in some non-transport related things?
A: again Yes (again this has been fact found)
Q: Is the DL just a simple license to operate a vehcile
A: No (see above)

I'd even suggest you probably would have asked people for their driver's license that hadn't even been driving.

[Akzle]

*freeman rant, scroll past now, you've been warned, and i've had bourbon.

No they don't - and I don't.

aren't you a yank? here in kiwiland, an policy enforcement officer needs to be "reasonably satisfied as to the identity of a person" (ish)
a person is a corporate fiction and has nothing to do with a living human, unless that living human accepts joinder to it. 99% of cops don't know this. 99% of cops don't understand why they ask the questions they do. it's all just "process".
if i don't have a "license to drive", does that mean i'm "not allowed to drive"?

Told by whom?

humans who operate unlicensed "vehicles" on "NZ roads" without a "driver's license"

Either I need a holiday or you are a knob.

Grow up and become a adult.

Fucking 8 years on a restricted ....... I supose you don't bother with warrents as you know better too?

Frankly with the shit driving in NZ we should all have to resit or do a refresher every 10 years. I'd bound to fail over some rule change I've missed in the past 30 years.

could be a bit of both, you'd certainly garner support for the latter 'round here. (was that directed at me?)

nono. the standards as they are today DO NOT ensure a (to my mind) reasonable level of competency. licnese them every month, it wont make a fuck of difference, 49% of people are blow average, add a vehicle to that equation and it seems to increase to 98%.

and no, i have not paid for warrants or registration in at least 6 years.

Further that if you have earned the right but have failed to have it on your person then the Police offiricer asking can either arrest you for failing to do so or have you fined for same.
This of course occurring on a footpath as you were quietly walking home, smashing car windows minding your own business.
Point being, I'm pretty sure that is the case, whether or not you are in control of a car or not at the time of being asked.


...Issue each child at birth with a plastic card with sex, eye colour,address and or licences earned and the IRD's number burned into your forehead so each time you go past a facial recognition camera it can log your exact movements each and everyday.
Who wants this sort of shit?
Too late.

1) this came about with the change from paper license to photo license, where they imposed a 50$ fine (which stands today, i believe) for not carrying the photo license.
if you had a paper license and weren't dumb enough to forfeit it, you're still LEGALLY entitled to "operate a motor vehicle on a [public] road"

2) the child is not issued, at birth, the child is registered at birth, (registration of live berth) much like a car, the corporate parents forfeit possession (of the corporate fiction/ capitus diminutio name)to the state, under all sorts of terms and conditions which they probably aren't aware of, once it's registered, it's issued a SIN, IRD# etc, which allows it to play the governments corporate game (commerce) of course, in playing the game, you accept the terms and conditions.

so tell me, does a living human child who has not been registered, have less rights than one that has?

also at birth they take a blood sample (DNA or living matter (the heel prick)) which your government kindly keeps on file. (unless you demand it back, in which case you get put on a special list of people)
i'm not entirely sure the extent of the whyfore of this, but it sums up slavery fairly well.

vive la revolution!

[scumdog]

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aren't you a yank? here in kiwiland, an policy enforcement officer needs to be "reasonably satisfied as to the identity of a person" (ish)

ANOTHER incorrect assumption on KB - when will it ever end?


Please, won't somebody think of the children??

[davereid]

I'd flout it on principal FJ.
The notion that I must carry an exclusive Identity card is abhorrent to me in every sense.
Where do we live again? oh that's right Nazi NZ. fines and arrest for walking your own streets, no fucking way hos'e.

Real Me is a virtual identity card. You don't have to carry it, its just accessed on demand (with your permission of course) any-time its required.

Your personal details, photo etc are stored by the DIA who release the details as requested by the agencies you are dealing with.

After the debacle of the original kiwicard, they never went back to the idea of making us carry an ID card. They saw the internet as the tool that meant you could have one, and not ever be faced with having to carry it.

So it can just be downloaded to a PC, smart phone etc by whoever requires to check your credentials.

Its being introduced as an online tool. I guess thats why they need your photo LOL.

Now RM, Scummy,riddle me this, is it true that if asked to present your drivers licence you must do so , if of course you have earned the right to have one of those nice shiny things.
Further that if you have earned the right but have failed to have it on your person then the Police offiricer asking can either arrest you for failing to do so or have you fined for same.
This of course occurring on a footpath as you were quietly walking home, smashing car windows minding your own business.
Point being, I'm pretty sure that is the case, whether or not you are in control of a car or not at the time of being asked.
So FJ, you see, it's already here.
Issue each child at birth with a plastic card with sex, eye colour,address and or licences earned and the IRD's number burned into your forehead so each time you go past a facial recognition camera it can log your exact movements each and everyday.
Who wants this sort of shit?
Too late.

Driver Licence can only be demanded for driver licensing related stuff.

Strictly speaking, it can't even be demanded for vehicle licensing.

But the Privacy Commissioner has authorised it for a wide range of non driving usage, including collection of the unique identifier.

And Acts from the Prostitute Act to Liquor Licensing use it as primary ID.

Try getting that next script of pain killers or a wide range of drugs without letting your pharmacy copy it.

Even the scrap metal man wants a copy of it.

[bogan]

True - but doesn't HAVE to be used for non-transport related things, it's a convenience thing, easier than carrying a passport. (Oh that's right, not EVERYBODY has a passport, sorta like not everybody has a NZ drivers licence)

Pubs use it for ID (nowt to do with transport)
Banks use it (nowt to do with transport)
etc etc

The only true bit is the last question.

Now go and don yer foil hat....

Well, if I was really worried about a lack of privacy, the tin foil hat would go on the router; google probably knows enough about me to start the cloning program any day now

You are assuming that those companies that pay for access thru driverchek are using it for other than transport related things.

Well, most of the pubs I go to don't have wheels And neither do the banks I go to, would be a bit of a security flaw I'd image The horse (or perhaps mermaid in this case) is dead son, let it lie.

[davereid]

You are assuming that those companies that pay for access thru driverchek are using it for other than transport related things.

They are. Biggest user of driver licence database is Vodaphone.

[FJRider]

Join the Military!

Yep ... free photo ID card.

Done ...