Forced licence progression

[Zedder]

I find Knackstedts' quote interesting if true and interesting anyway.

Yep. I found the article way better written than the Herald one, no surprises there though.

[davereid]

I find Knackstedts' quote interesting if true and interesting anyway.

Mr. Knackstedt is in the business of making the NZTA look good.

The "Advocate" seemed to have accurate figures when it quoted a 59% failure rate, Mr Knackstedt may simply have found a single period when the rate was better than 50% to make his quote.

In fact that is to be expected, as NZ Driver Licensing LTD, once caught out would have immediately lifted the pass rate to allow effective rebuttal.

Its true that the NZTA don't have a quota.

Its their monopoly contractor that was caught out with a quota system.

Having been caught out, I dare say they won't be applying it again, until the heat dies down.

The next part of the question is, how does the NZTA get away with offering lucrative monoploy contracts to private companies ? If the driver test standard is adequately defined, the test could be offered directly by the same testers that are currently forced to contract to NZ Driver Licencing.

IMHO the foul smell around this, is typical of the NZTA.

[red mermaid]

I find it interesting that it is continually bemoaned on KB how easy it is to get a NZ drivers licence, the poor standard of our driving, how the authorities never do anything about it, and how we should toughen up like overseas countries.

Now that it has started to move this way the moaning on KB can't stop!

And isn't it great all these ideas but do any of these moaners do anything constructive about this and make submissions in regard to how driver licensing should be managed?

Nope?
Didn't think, keyboard heros and conspiracy theorists the lot of you.

[bogan]

I find it interesting that it is continually bemoaned on KB how easy it is to get a NZ drivers licence, the poor standard of our driving, how the authorities never do anything about it, and how we should toughen up like overseas countries.

Now that it has started to move this way the moaning on KB can't stop!

And isn't it great all these ideas but do any of these moaners do anything constructive about this and make submissions in regard to how driver licensing should be managed?

Nope?
Didn't think, keyboard heros and conspiracy theorists the lot of you.

The moaning was more about the cereal box prize difficulty of getting one, now it's about the lottery of whether the tester has failed his quota or not. None of it has to do with the difficulty of the test themselves. Do try and keep up.

[Ocean1]

I find it interesting that it is continually bemoaned on KB how easy it is to get a NZ drivers licence, the poor standard of our driving, how the authorities never do anything about it, and how we should toughen up like overseas countries.

It's the classic old man's disease, everyone else is the problem and needs to change their behaviour, immediately. I think it's their way of affirming their superiority in the face of their diminishing competence.

And isn't it great all these ideas but do any of these moaners do anything constructive about this and make submissions in regard to how driver licensing should be managed?

Oh do grow up old chap, the myth that submissions regarding proposed legislative changes are actually read belong in the same storybook with Santa and the tooth fairy.

[scumdog]

Oh do grow up old chap, the myth that submissions regarding proposed legislative changes are actually read belong in the same storybook with Santa and the tooth fairy.

Yep, far better to whine and moan on KB - ya achieve so much more!

[Ocean1]

Yep, far better to whine and moan on KB - ya achieve so much more!

Obviously, at least someone read it.

You are someone, aren't you mate?

[Zedder]

Mr. Knackstedt is in the business of making the NZTA look good.

The "Advocate" seemed to have accurate figures when it quoted a 59% failure rate, Mr Knackstedt may simply have found a single period when the rate was better than 50% to make his quote.

In fact that is to be expected, as NZ Driver Licensing LTD, once caught out would have immediately lifted the pass rate to allow effective rebuttal.

Its true that the NZTA don't have a quota.

Its their monopoly contractor that was caught out with a quota system.

Having been caught out, I dare say they won't be applying it again, until the heat dies down.

The next part of the question is, how does the NZTA get away with offering lucrative monoploy contracts to private companies ? If the driver test standard is adequately defined, the test could be offered directly by the same testers that are currently forced to contract to NZ Driver Licencing.

IMHO the foul smell around this, is typical of the NZTA.

Plus it gives an opportunity for a Dave Rave.

[FJRider]

It's the classic old man's disease, everyone else is the problem and needs to change their behaviour, immediately. I think it's their way of affirming their superiority in the face of their diminishing competence.

As opposed to the classic modern mans disease ... where every whim or opinion must be put into policy without hesitation. Regardless of how stupid ... or selfish it is.

Oh do grow up old chap, the myth that submissions regarding proposed legislative changes are actually read belong in the same storybook with Santa and the tooth fairy.

If people came up with intelligent, workable and viable suggestions (for the greater good) ... some may be implemented ...

Until then ... keep moaning ... we really do care ...

Honest ...

[GrayWolf]

Sadly learners don't pass even if they have the necessary skills because they are failed to a quota.

The NZTA has given the lucrative driver license testing contract to a monoploy company called NZ Driver Licensing (1998) Limited. You can't sit your test with anyone else, its an exclusive deal.

But NZ Driver Licensing has been caught out, with a memo requiring testers to fail 2/3 of applicants.

This makes the company exra revenues of $650,000 a year.

Source : http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/n...ectid=10837379

A memo leaked to the Herald on Sunday reveals testers have been told to pass around 40 per cent of candidates, or face the consequences. The arithmetic isn't hard: that means failing 60 per cent.

Now, there are clear, legal guidelines around what qualifies as a pass or a fail. Do the indicators and brake lights work? Can the candidate turn right at a T-junction, giving way to one lane of oncoming traffic? Do they maintain a safe following distance? There are dozens of boxes they must tick.

Nowhere in the legislation does it say pass rates should be scaled up or down to ensure most candidates fail.

Even parents are getting frustrated. One Hamilton father told this paper how he watched his two sons fail three times each, despite a driving instructor assuring them they were ready.

Is it a coincidence that each time NZ Driver Licensing fails a young driver, the company can charge them $88 to resit the test - and that the 7397 resits forced on candidates since tough new standards were introduced in February have garnered the company more than $650,000?

Arbitrary scaling was phased out of high school examinations 25 years ago, because the community realised it was unfair to treat children as rats in a statistical laboratory. We shouldn't let some avaricious testing contractor bring it back, just because we're scared to let our kids grow

Fuck Me , I thought we lived in NZ, not the USA...
Oooh conspiracy theory,,, leaked memo, the LTSA shot Kennedy......
Here's another look at the memo..... you WILL pass 40% of applicants, even IF there are some of the 40% who dont make the grade.... (underwritten message) pass some of those who were only JUST below the standard, or else!!!.... Oooh now doesnt THAT put a different complexion on this horrific FAIL 2/3 of all applicants???
So All you theorist of the dreaded Gubbermint are money grabbin assholes... police are revenue collectors and stop poor innocent bikers who aint hurtin no one speeding...... The IRD are just fuckin assholes, why should I pay my Rego when I can leave it to other suckers........ etc etc

If the Testers have been told to make sure they PASS 40% how do you now feel that you could be riding next to someone who 'didnt make the grade' but was passed to make the gubbermint enforced quota.............Oh hang on just like the Police 'quota' or the 'quota' to pass/fail the NCA

Oh fuck, i've just become one of them//////////

Ive found a conspiracy

[FJRider]

Mr. Knackstedt is in the business of making the NZTA look good.

The "Advocate" seemed to have accurate figures when it quoted a 59% failure rate, Mr Knackstedt may simply have found a single period when the rate was better than 50% to make his quote.

Seemed ... ??? Accurate ... ??? Two words that don't belong in the same sentence if you are trying to make a point. About as stupid as using (their) statistics to prove your beliefs. If 50% fail their driving tests ... perhaps 50% shouldn't be on the road if they cant reach a known, well publicized and defined test on what is required.

In fact that is to be expected, as NZ Driver Licensing LTD, once caught out would have immediately lifted the pass rate to allow effective rebuttal.

If pass rate statistics were the same for each and every month ... of each and every year. You may have grounds to suspect something. Proving it is another thing. Your faith in (their) statistics accuracy amuses me ... (thank you for that)

Its their monopoly contractor that was caught out with a quota system.

Having been caught out, I dare say they won't be applying it again, until the heat dies down.

The ones most caught out were the stupid people that failed the tests ...

Any word on the statistics on numbers of those that require two (or more) attempts to pass the driving tests .. ???

The next part of the question is, how does the NZTA get away with offering lucrative monoploy contracts to private companies ? If the driver test standard is adequately defined, the test could be offered directly by the same testers that are currently forced to contract to NZ Driver Licencing.

IMHO the foul smell around this, is typical of the NZTA.

I would think ... as you used the word Lucrative ... and then suggested those testers were Forced to contract ... is a simple contradiction in terms.

Lucrative contracts take little arm twisting to accept.

[FJRider]

Yep, far better to whine and moan on KB - ya achieve so much more!

Knowing your occupation ... it would be pretty obvious (in my opinion) ... what you would find as a result ... if the licensing system gave a 100% pass rate. Going under the assumption that some of those tested ... are being passed (or failed ???) to "meet a defined/set quota"

Thoughts .. ???

[Road kill]

Yes. Just to refresh your memory:



Any government that finds it has to force compliance to arbitrary regulation on it's people has already lost the battle. It's not a government to which I'd feel the slightest hesitation in applying a little gunpowder.

Guess every gov't in the world is at risk of being taken over or blown up by you then huh.

Mate you really should get out more

[Scuba_Steve]

Fuck Me , I thought we lived in NZ, not the USA...

Maybee this will help with your confusion

[bogan]

If the Testers have been told to make sure they PASS 40% how do you now feel that you could be riding next to someone who 'didnt make the grade' but was passed to make the gubbermint enforced quota.............Oh hang on just like the Police 'quota' or the 'quota' to pass/fail the NCA

The ones most caught out were the stupid people that failed the tests ...

You're missing Dave's point, more than 40% were passing the tests, then they set a quota saying only 40% should pass. What use is a quota, if the test results were based on technical skills alone?