US to open frontline combat roles to women

[Zedder]

War, or armed bullying on a mass scale to give it the proper description, is disgusting and has been for thousands of years.

TPTB are there simply because they've had the most guns, bombs or other arsehole ways of impressing their will on other less equipped people.

They're greedy for resources and power to continue their dynasties. Nothing has changed.

[imdying]

But what I am saying is that the people who enlist to put their lives on the line are driven to defend their country and its inhabitants ( aka: you and I) against possible threats and THAT DESERVES RESPECT.

Yes, and what I am saying is that the fucktards that run the wars are only able to do it because they have an endless line of cannon fodder rolling up to do their bidding. I can't respect that.

If those wankers weren't running the circus, and this country truly needed defending, the populace would either defend it, or lose it. But that would be their choice.

[Banditbandit]

Yes, and what I am saying is that the fucktards that run the wars are only able to do it because they have an endless line of cannon fodder rolling up to do their bidding. I can't respect that.

If those wankers weren't running the circus, and this country truly needed defending, the populace would either defend it, or lose it. But that would be their choice.

Yeah .. way back inthe 1970s a US General came to inspect the defense capablility in Godzone .. (Irememebr this - but can't source the story any more) After a few days here a journalist asked this US General what he thought of our defense ... the general said a good army could take the country in two or three days .. but he would hate to be in charge of New Zealand after such an invasion ...

The journalist was shocked by the first part ... but asked the general what he meant by the second part ... the general said that after such an invasion, for years afterwards, behind every tree would be a New Zealander with a shotgun and two pig dogs .. and the country would be uncontrollable ...

He was right !!! I don't have any pig dogs - but I certainly have a shotgun and several rifles ... I'd bve behind many trees on many days .. and I'm sure there are plenty in this forum who would be too

[willytheekid]

Matters a great deal when it comes time to drag your wounded 150+ KG squad member away from the fighting.

I have no problem with equality in any walk of life, so long as it's actual equality. Selective equality is just sexism in favor of.

Women can and should serve in combat roles, so long as they pass the exact same requirements as men.

Currently, not so.

There was an article not too long ago about women trying to get into combat roles. Women Personal training scores are weighted HEAVILY in their favour. Going from memory, in order to score high on their PT, men have to do something like 60+ Pullups. It's like, 10 for women.

Same thing with running. Men need to do 1.6 kilometres in 11 minutes vs womens 20.

I wouldn't want to be in combat with somebody who was physically much weaker or has much less stamina then I. If your life is relying on the person next to you, you'd really want them to be as strong and fit as possible.

You wouldn't feel all that secure knowing that some people in your squad got through doing significantly less simply because they were female.

THIS!

Talked to my brother about this not that long ago.

We both don't give a crap if women want to die for their country. The only real thing we both felt was, as long as the bar wasn't dropped so that women could get those positions, we don't care. Couldn't think of anything less equal then, for example, making fitness & strength requirements lower for women. They should get no special treatment.


I feel the same about some other peoples in society to.

AND THIS!


+1 ...hell yes!

And thats the problem...its is "meant" to be providing equality...not lowering the standards to ensure the majority of women can join?

If someone can pass the set standards and prove that they can be a competent soldier, equal to what is already in the feild (man or women), damn right they should have the right to serve there country
But if I was a women(shut up!)...and they lowered the standards that apply to me...I would be PISSED!!!...Thats not providing an equal opportunity...thats pampering to a minority in an blatent effort to make the forces "Look" equal to the sexes

Besides....if a small guy can pass (And remember...most special forces guys are "little"...not big bulky guys)...then why the fuck do they seem to think women "need" the lower standards to pass? (they don't!..chicks CAN fight just as well as guys...if given the same training and standards!)

Its great to see the opportunitys being made available to women...but I do fear that lowering the standards may possibly cost the lives of the soldiers fighting next to them.

[willytheekid]

.. and I'm sure there are plenty in this forum who would be too

Ex boy scout sir (always prepared!)

...who just happens to have access to guns...LOTS of guns!!



...You may have just walked in...but Im sure as shit, you'll be getting carried out! (this is MY fuckin island!!)

[Banditbandit]

Ex boy scout sir (always prepared!)

...who just happens to have access to guns...LOTS of guns!!

Fuck yeah !!! And some of us have had practice ... shooting up goats with an AK47, a Chinese copies and AR10s and 15s ... fuck that's fun .. and you get a lot of meat very quickly ..

(I used to know where I could get my hands on a four-barrelled rocket launcher .. )

[Delerium]

Matters a great deal when it comes time to drag your wounded 150+ KG squad member away from the fighting.

I have no problem with equality in any walk of life, so long as it's actual equality. Selective equality is just sexism in favor of.

Women can and should serve in combat roles, so long as they pass the exact same requirements as men.

Currently, not so.

There was an article not too long ago about women trying to get into combat roles. Women Personal training scores are weighted HEAVILY in their favour. Going from memory, in order to score high on their PT, men have to do something like 60+ Pullups. It's like, 10 for women.

Same thing with running. Men need to do 1.6 kilometres in 11 minutes vs womens 20.

I wouldn't want to be in combat with somebody who was physically much weaker or has much less stamina then I. If your life is relying on the person next to you, you'd really want them to be as strong and fit as possible.

You wouldn't feel all that secure knowing that some people in your squad got through doing significantly less simply because they were female.

This. When will the fitness test be the same. ALl well and goo to bleat that its about time if nothing else is equal it is a moot argument. Not to mention the psychology, a male soldier is much more likely to stop and assist a wounded female than male counter part (for western nations) stalling the assault.

[Delerium]

Respect? For people that kill other people? Over oil and land? Religion? Surely you jest?

Just because it's sanctioned by the law doesn't make it any less than murder. Even the powers that be recognise that; look at their ridiculous 'rules' for war. What a bunch of two faced little bitches... if it's justifiable enough to go and kill other people, then it's justifiable enough to use chemical weapons and cluster bombs.

If people want to be little pawns, they can go for it, but there is nothing there to respect.

Thats not quite right. Not quite right at all.

[Delerium]

Respect? For people that kill other people? Over oil and land? Religion? Surely you jest?

Just because it's sanctioned by the law doesn't make it any less than murder. Even the powers that be recognise that; look at their ridiculous 'rules' for war. What a bunch of two faced little bitches... if it's justifiable enough to go and kill other people, then it's justifiable enough to use chemical weapons and cluster bombs.

If people want to be little pawns, they can go for it, but there is nothing there to respect.

Thats not quite right.

[jasonu]

Yeah great now we will be able to see videos on Youtube showing the Taliban gangbanging captured female soldiers.

[imdying]

Thats not quite right. Not quite right at all.

Which bit, that killing people is nothing more than murder? Or is it that you believe we should have levels or war? Is so, why not stop at fisticuffs? Not enough to satisfy your blood lust?

[Zedder]

Yes, and what I am saying is that the fucktards that run the wars are only able to do it because they have an endless line of cannon fodder rolling up to do their bidding. I can't respect that.

If those wankers weren't running the circus, and this country truly needed defending, the populace would either defend it, or lose it. But that would be their choice.

TPTB are probably laughing up their sleeves. Stuffed if I'd go overseas to fight "their war".

[Swoop]

Thats cos you boys are shit at packing

Plus, water and food requirements would be calculated on body weight's requirements, so wouldn't they be lighter for a woman?

Sadly, my packing skills cannot be faulted...

As for "bodily requirements" if the Sargeant says fill 10 waterbottles, you fill ALL of them because others may need some. Dividing up the troop's equipment equally, makes sense, especially when someone who humps the Gimpy/pig/SAW has to carry excess belts for that as well as the normal kit.

The journalist was shocked by the first part ... but asked the general what he meant by the second part ... the general said that after such an invasion, for years afterwards, behind every tree would be a New Zealander with a shotgun and two pig dogs .. and the country would be uncontrollable ...

He was right!

He most certainly was. In both respects.

[Milts]

Interesting commentary on roles excluded before this change including blocking fluent arabic speakers, with a distinguished service history including actual (but not recognised) combat experience, from intelligence roles - so it's much bigger than just ground troop roles.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908...68668#50568668

[007XX]

Sadly, my packing skills cannot be faulted...

As for "bodily requirements" if the Sargeant says fill 10 waterbottles, you fill ALL of them because others may need some. Dividing up the troop's equipment equally, makes sense, especially when someone who humps the Gimpy/pig/SAW has to carry excess belts for that as well as the normal kit.

Fair enough.

Did you get a chance to have a look at the Reddit link I posted? It's very interesting reading the comments of *actual* in duty males and females on the topic.

We can wax lyrics about this as much as we like, but those whom this affects directly are the only ones with the right to say boo about it.

As far as I'm concerned, no easier physical tests for women. If they can hack it, then what grounds would anyone have to deny them the right to defend their country?