Auto oiler, you're turning into my arch nemesis!

[willytheekid]

...damn scottoiler!


I swear this thing has a mind of its own...and its certainly NOT a stable mind!

For the second time the damn thing stopped working...So I strip it, checked all the plumbing and seals etc(found the main jet was blocked), I then refitted it, refilled it, and took the bike for a test ride(40mins or so)...seem'd good, drip rate perfect, no air bubbles, and the chain & tyre look good (oil is going on the CHAIN...not all over the tyre lol)

well bugger it!...I must have spoken to soon!

I noticed the bike "power sliding" out of left hand corners this morning ....Yup!, sure enough, the NEW rear tyre is now coated in sticky anti-fling oil (made for an "interesting" exit out of a roundabout this morning )

Currently Im running Chainsaw Bar oil in the system (pritty much the same stuff Scott use...but half the price!...same viscosity as there summer refill oil, drip rate seems the same, and its used by many scott owners with no problems such as seals breaking down etc reported)

So why is the drip rate changing from a drip every couple of minutes, to pissing out and making my poor bike look like a exxon valdez victim?
....the unit is well away from any possible heat sources, I can't find any air leaks, seals are all good, and the drip rate adjustement dial hasn't moved from where I set it? (And it did the exact same bloody thing last time while running the "proper" scott lube?)

Anything I may be missing?...or is this thing just pure evil sent to test me lol



(yay...So Ive now got a tyre and bike to scrub clean with hot soapy water when I get home tonight...well...after I have negotiated the power slidiing trip home lol...will also disconnect the system till I can nail the cause)

[caseye]

Oi, too much FUN is frowned upon you know!
Enjoy the ride home mate, then take the bloody thing to the place you bought it and ask them to sort it out, failing that send off toscott oilers themselves and tell em your stress levels are off the scale, see what they come up with.
Been able to throw a leg over for the last 2 weeks and have clocked up 3000 K's already, loving being back, that gay bike still going like a champion?
Happy new year mate.

[willytheekid]

Oi, too much FUN is frowned upon you know!
Enjoy the ride home mate, then take the bloody thing to the place you bought it and ask them to sort it out, failing that send off toscott oilers themselves and tell em your stress levels are off the scale, see what they come up with.
Been able to throw a leg over for the last 2 weeks and have clocked up 3000 K's already, loving being back, that gay bike still going like a champion?
Happy new year mate.

...Gidday mate (So sorry for not replying to your PM at xmas...I worked over xmas and got hammered...appologies)

Good to hear your back in the saddle (hope your keepin Rob an "Mac" honest lol)
Just had the bike put through another full service/check for summer...to the tune of "Find something wrong with it!...dare ya!"....My mechanic Rodger found a minor air leak...and that was all! (And I finally got the carbs perfectly balanced)...now shes going like a...well...a Honda VFR! (Absolutely love this bike!...it maybe 17yrs old....100,000k on the clock, but its still just purring!)

The Scottoiler is doing my head in tho lol, for such a simple device you would "think" it would be easy to find the problem...nope!
I think its just a tad temperamental...works fine usually, but when it stops working (second time so far)...it tends to be a bit of a mission to clean, prime and set the perfect drip rate...Im sure I will get it sorted...eventually!

You take care mate, and I certainly hope you had a great xmas & new year

ps:Many thanks for the vote in the tyre thread

[bsasuper]

I know exactly how to fix this problem, Take off the whole system, then place in rubbish bin.Replace with a can of maxima chain wax.

[Hitcher]

Auto chain oilers, such as the Scottoiler, are unquestionably great at extending the life of chains and sprockets. However they come at a cost: cleanliness. They need adjustment to cope with changes in ambient temperature. They're buggers to prime, particularly when the delivery hose is caked in gunge and it's hard to see when the bubbles en route have been expunged. But if one has a gargre or workshop into which a bike can be parked up after each ride in proximity to accoutrements like aerosol wax, then don't even consider one.

[HenryDorsetCase]

The dude who had my street triple before me had had one on the bike (but removed it before I got it). It was obviously set up incorrectly because there was a metric fuckton of shit all over the back of the bike, round the swingarm, on the exhaust, and a stripe up the blummin number plate. Plus the crud under the cover over the countershaft sprocket Spent a couple of very happy hours cleaning that all off.

I bought one of those Maxima 3 packs: cleanse, tone and moisturise. Its good shit. I've never been prettier. Also pretty good on the chain.

[TOTO]

Scottoil has a percentage of silicon in it. If you put anything else in its system (as you've done with chain saw oil) then it is as good as fucked and you need a new one or just bin it.

It is not the products' problem, it is you trying to be cheap.

[willytheekid]

I know exactly how to fix this problem, Take off the whole system, then place in rubbish bin.Replace with a can of maxima chain wax.

Auto chain oilers, such as the Scottoiler, are unquestionably great at extending the life of chains and sprockets. However they come at a cost: cleanliness. They need adjustment to cope with changes in ambient temperature. They're buggers to prime, particularly when the delivery hose is caked in gunge and it's hard to see when the bubbles en route have been expunged. But if one has a gargre or workshop into which a bike can be parked up after each ride in proximity to accoutrements like aerosol wax, then don't even consider one.

...smart...'s!

But yes...totally agree!, and so true Hitcher
I don't mind cleaning the mess up and pissing around filling it and setting the drip rate etc...I just wish the damn thing would STAY set!
...when it works, it works very well!

PS: Purged all good, no air bubbles etc, Temp...pritty much the same as yesterday, whole unit clean as a whistle(now), and every piece of it checked....nemesis I tells ya....nemesis!!!


PPS: "accoutrements!", very nice Hitcher (yes!...I had to look it up )

[willytheekid]

Scottoil has a percentage of silicon in it. If you put anything else in its system (as you've done with chain saw oil) then it is as good as fucked and you need a new one or just bin it.

It is not the products' problem, it is you trying to be cheap.

Lovely!

I never said the product was shit (you banging the importer?)

IF, you had read the post, you may have noticed it also did this with the Scottoil refill oil as well!...and the chainsaw bar oil brand contains silicon as well, And is very well known to be a great substitute for the $20 for 500ml Scottoil...oil (It lubes a chain!...not a fucking GP engine!!)
"Currently Im running Chainsaw Bar oil in the system (pritty much the same stuff Scott use...but half the price!...same viscosity as there summer refill oil, drip rate seems the same, and its used by many scott owners with no problems such as seals breaking down etc reported)"

Also...IF, you had read the post you will also know that it is temperamental...not fucked!
"So why is the drip rate changing from a drip every couple of minutes, to pissing out and making my poor bike look like a exxon valdez victim?
....the unit is well away from any possible heat sources, I can't find any air leaks, seals are all good, and the drip rate adjustement dial hasn't moved from where I set it? (And it did the exact same bloody thing last time while running the "proper" scott lube?)"

And of course the interweby is FULL of owners saying the same thing about scottoilers...buggers to prime, buggers to set, tend to "adjust" themselves etc, but great little units once running well (As this one usually is)

But thank you for your well thought out and constructive feedback

[spanner spinner]

I have had scott oilers on most of my bikes been using them for years and fitted so many in my job I have lost count of how many I have fitted. So I have had a bit to do with them, so my suggestion would be to dismantle the controller if you haven't all ready. Sounds like the seat in the controller is worn or has grit in it that won't pass through and is some times getting in and jamming it open. If you are going to take the top off the controller first pinch the female of the house's hair dryer and gently heat the top of the clear tube section before prying the top off. If you don't heat it it can some times crack, same when clicking it back on. If this dosen't fix it time for a new controler, you can buy these as a spare so you only have to buy a new controler not a new kit.

[nzspokes]

Scottoil has a percentage of silicon in it. If you put anything else in its system (as you've done with chain saw oil) then it is as good as fucked and you need a new one or just bin it.

It is not the products' problem, it is you trying to be cheap.

Oh, didn't know that. But weve got heaps of Scott oil so hadn't tried anything else. Good to know.

[willytheekid]

I have had scott oilers on most of my bikes been using them for years and fitted so many in my job I have lost count of how many I have fitted. So I have had a bit to do with them, so my suggestion would be to dismantle the controller if you haven't all ready. Sounds like the seat in the controller is worn or has grit in it that won't pass through and is some times getting in and jamming it open. If you are going to take the top off the controller first pinch the female of the house's hair dryer and gently heat the top of the clear tube section before prying the top off. If you don't heat it it can some times crack, same when clicking it back on. If this dosen't fix it time for a new controler, you can buy these as a spare so you only have to buy a new controler not a new kit.

Many thanks for your feedback

I was leaning toward the "nozzel-jet" may have a little peice of dirt etc blocking it (Not being able to adjust properly, hence its drip rate is high)
Great Tip in regards to the hair dryer!
Its a pritty simple unit, so I thought it would be something simple like that, I must not have cleaned it out properly, or may have actually dislodged some dirt etc during the first clean & refill.

Well...I guess its back to the bench and re-strip it again and clean the bejebus out of it


...It has only stopped working once before, and usually the unit works very well

[KiwiPhoenix]

Oh admit it, you love taking things apart and cleaning them

[p.dath]

Scottoil has a percentage of silicon in it. If you put anything else in its system (as you've done with chain saw oil) then it is as good as fucked and you need a new one or just bin it....

...IF, you had read the post, you may have noticed it also did this with the Scottoil refill oil as well!...and the chainsaw bar oil brand contains silicon as well, And is very well known to be a great substitute for the $20 for 500ml Scottoil...oil (It lubes a chain!...not a fucking GP engine!!)...[/COLOR]

I had a bike with a Scott Oiler once. Pain in the arse. I had someone look at it, and they said someone had run something in it other than the proper "Scott Oil", and it had damaged the seals. The result was problems like you describe.

So +1 to Toto. If you are going to invest in something as expensive as a Scott Oiler, don't whimp out on buying the proper oil. It's not that expensive, and lasts a long time. Also note that they make two different kinds of Scott Oil for different temperatures.

[martybabe]

People do claim extraordinary chain life from auto oilers but,I, like you, spent too much time messing with my bloody scott oiler trying in vain to get it to work properly. I decided to take the bugger off and revert to old fashioned anti fling chain oil, much less of a headache for me and much less mess on the back end of the bike.