Honda introduces new 500cc LAMS range

[tons]

Official (?) prices now on the website, bizarrely without GST:

CBR500R $9,126 ex. GST ($10494.90)
CB500F $9,561 ex. GST ($10995.15)
CB500X $9,996 ex. GST ($11495.40)

Must be charging a premium for ABS, since the F is dearer than the R.

These prices are MUCH TOO EXPENSIVE.

For example, the CB500F ABS is $5999 US, which at today's exchange rate of 0.827, means it should be $7,250.81 NZ.

So essentially $3745 overpriced.

Nice one Honda NZ!

[arcane12]

These prices are MUCH TOO EXPENSIVE.

For example, the CB500F ABS is $5999 US, which at today's exchange rate of 0.827, means it should be $7,250.81 NZ.

So essentially $3745 overpriced.

Nice one Honda NZ!

I agree and disagree. Overpriced, yes. However if you bought that bike, and had it shipped it would cost you more than 7250. You'd have to pay shipping costs (ok which shouldn't be much different than shipping to the States from Japan), plus GST to import it. You'd be looking at, worst case, 9500 plus ORC. (For Mordor!)

But yes, rather overpriced. That is our issue for living in a small country with a small sales base. Economic factors and all that. I wonder if it would be even cheaper sourcing straight from Japan? And unfortunately it's not your local shop that is the problem, though perhaps we need to keep complaining to them so they will complain up the chain until someone does something...

[Eddieb]

I don't mind the looks. The weight and the price are a bit shocking, however. Shit, that thing has like 40-50kg on the hornet. Man alive it's a pig.

I wonder if the weight measurements are calculated differently to the older bikes? ie wet ready to drive weight, vs. dry without fork oil etc...

Honda is quoting Kerb weight on the new bikes, I'm not sure what was quoted on the older ones.

The only reference I can find as to what measurement standard Honda uses for it's kerb or Curb weight on the Honda Canada site.

http://motorcycle.honda.ca/sport/cb5...specifications

Curb Weight 197 kg (434 lb) including required fluids and full tank of gas - ready to ride

[tons]

I agree and disagree. Overpriced, yes. However if you bought that bike, and had it shipped it would cost you more than 7250. You'd have to pay shipping costs (ok which shouldn't be much different than shipping to the States from Japan), plus GST to import it. You'd be looking at, worst case, 9500 plus ORC. (For Mordor!)

But yes, rather overpriced. That is our issue for living in a small country with a small sales base. Economic factors and all that. I wonder if it would be even cheaper sourcing straight from Japan? And unfortunately it's not your local shop that is the problem, though perhaps we need to keep complaining to them so they will complain up the chain until someone does something...

For another example, taking Canada, the CB500F ABS is $6299 CAD, which at today's exchange rate of 0.846, means it should be $7,447.83 NZ.

So essentially we're $3547 overpriced.

I realise we are a smaller market, but I'm sure there is a base rate that Honda (Worldwide HQ - Japan) sells them at to different markets e.g. they sell them to every market at the same price, let's say equivalent to $4000 US, and the rest is localisation for shipping, marketing, setup etc.

But for Honda NZ to be selling them for equivalent to $9025.02 US, meaning $5000 US localisation, is just blatant profiteering.

A price around $9000 NZ would have been more reasonable, or $10000 NZ at the most, and at those rates I'm sure they would sell a lot more of them.

[ducatilover]

Curb Weight 197 kg (434 lb) including required fluids and full tank of gas - ready to ride

Well that's a fairly reasonable weight then

[nerrrd]

Compared to what's on offer from the other big brands in a bigger-than-250 LAMS bike they seem to be roughly in the same price bracket, so who can blame them?

I guess if you want a "budget" new bike in NZ you really have to look at something like this: http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-567984417.htm

[nerrrd]

Noticed this today on Trademe.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...x?id=579061668

"First shipment gone & taking orders for subsequent shipments..." but at least they have a demo to try.

[Maha]

Noticed this today on Trademe.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...x?id=579061668

"First shipment gone & taking orders for subsequent shipments..." but at least they have a demo to try.

$11,000 + ORC?...holy crap!

[Welly-Ray]

When $12k can get you a NC700S, what bother with 500cc if not for LAMS?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-574285307.htm

[Glowerss]

$11,000 + ORC?...holy crap!

And the first order was already sold out.

Ol P.T.Barnum was right.

If I had 11thou to dump on a bike, id spent 1000 on a shit GN250, learn to ride for 4months then dump the thing and say fuck lams and buy a properly nice bike.

$11,000+ ORC for an underpowered cheap bike is pretty insane

[nerrrd]

$11,000+ ORC for an underpowered cheap bike is pretty insane

Yeah, 35kw compared to my 37kw beast. Suckers!

Although I dread to think what some poor Japanese person paid for my bike new...and it gets half as many more torques again at much lower revs (laaaaazy).

Somebody's got to buy the new bikes or there wouldn't be any used ones, I guess.

How about a 2013 LAMS ER6 for $16k or Monster 659 for $17.5k?

[Glowerss]

Yeah, 35kw compared to my 37kw beast. Suckers!

Although I dread to think what some poor Japanese person paid for my bike new...and it gets half as many more torques again at much lower revs (laaaaazy).

Somebody's got to buy the new bikes or there wouldn't be any used ones, I guess.

How about a 2013 LAMS ER6 for $16k or Monster 659 for $17.5k?

Both are ridiculously overpowered as well.

The non-LAMS er6s you can pick up for $10,000 or less if you find some older models. And it wouldn't be all that cheap/easy to remove the restrictions the lams er6 either.

Suzuki is just as bad. the restricted GSX650f is between 14-16k and the normal one can be had for 9-10. 7 If you find one used.

All of the lams bikes we get are hugely overpriced for what they are, and especially compared to what the rest of the world pays.

[actungbaby]

When $12k can get you a NC700S, what bother with 500cc if not for LAMS?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-574285307.htm

Myabe because its a great bike

[actungbaby]

That's proper cool!

Isint it just mate for the honda haters what planet are you on something wrong with you cant smile after riding anybike

[actungbaby]

they will be stupidly expensive here. All new Honda product is.

hello cbr 250 , is 7,400