ACC training providers announced

[Blackbird]

Sorry, I missunderstood what you were saying. Yes i would agree on the other trainers. I have done a couple from other providers and they have been very good.

My concern is new and returning riders not getting quality training.

Likewise . Cost is always a valid issue, particularly for young riders who are just making their way in the world I guess. However, when you see the amount of money spent on farkles or even the cost of a bike in the first place, $400-500 on personalised training isn't outrageous considering the massive benefit - a point which you make from personal experience.

[FJRider]

Sorry I should say lost for Aucklanders.

So far ... only Aucklanders seem to think they are "Missing out" ...

Perhaps less "inconvenienced" than say South Island west coasters would be ... wouldn't you say .. ???

[caspernz]

Well I'm probably ignorant in saying this, but if a new or returning biker wants to do training, he or she will. Anyone who rides a bike because it supposedly is a cheap form of transport will end up on the bus (or in an ambulance) before too long. Weekend only riders, short on experience, how do you convince them to spend even more money on a hobby? Financial incentive ain't gonna do it...

The stuff I've seen bikers do over the years makes me wonder how their own stupidity hasn't killed them sooner. Like the clown I saw recently with a 5.5 inch rear rimmed roadbike, with a 150 section adventure bike tyre spooned onto it and I ain't friggin kidding!! And all that 'cause he couldn't afford a new road tyre when he got a puncture...

So can you see this clown spending money on any rider training? Yeah me neither...

[bosslady]

Likewise . Cost is always a valid issue, particularly for young riders who are just making their way in the world I guess. However, when you see the amount of money spent on farkles or even the cost of a bike in the first place, $400-500 on personalised training isn't outrageous considering the massive benefit - a point which you make from personal experience.

Personally speaking, when I got a loan from the bank (not much, but I was too keen to wait whilst saving) I got enough for a bike, enough for quality gear and enough for a couple of private lessons (incl. bike) with an instructor (not cheap!) but I definitely don't imagine most newbies would factor the cost of training into how much they will spend on the initial outlay.

[Blackbird]

Personally speaking, when I got a loan from the bank (not much, but I was too keen to wait whilst saving) I got enough for a bike, enough for quality gear and enough for a couple of private lessons (incl. bike) with an instructor (not cheap!) but I definitely don't imagine most newbies would factor the cost of training into how much they will spend on the initial outlay.

Good for you . You're quite right though. When I started riding, I didn't know what I didn't know and formal training wasn't even on the radar. Although I did a one day advanced course in 2003 (which helped a lot) it was only after joining the IAM that it became apparent how much more there was to learn!

[Movistar]

Well I'm probably ignorant in saying this, but if a new or returning biker wants to do training, he or she will. Anyone who rides a bike because it supposedly is a cheap form of transport will end up on the bus (or in an ambulance) before too long. Weekend only riders, short on experience, how do you convince them to spend even more money on a hobby? Financial incentive ain't gonna do it...

The stuff I've seen bikers do over the years makes me wonder how their own stupidity hasn't killed them sooner. Like the clown I saw recently with a 5.5 inch rear rimmed roadbike, with a 150 section adventure bike tyre spooned onto it and I ain't friggin kidding!! And all that 'cause he couldn't afford a new road tyre when he got a puncture...

So can you see this clown spending money on any rider training? Yeah me neither...

Totally agree with you. You're never going to get every motorcyclist to do even some form of training - only those that want to.
But the more carrots you can dangle, the more it may attract, whether that is a financial incentive or otherwise.

It's the old story, if we take the warning labels off everything, eventually the problem will sort itself out.

[FJRider]

Good for you . You're quite right though. When I started riding, I didn't know what I didn't know and formal training wasn't even on the radar. Although I did a one day advanced course in 2003 (which helped a lot) it was only after joining the IAM that it became apparent how much more there was to learn!

When I started riding motorcycles ... the only bit of MY riding kit, that was manufactured for use on a motorcycle ... was my crash helmet. (a $5 job from a local second hand shop) I then bought a new visor for it. (another $8)

Two months on a learners ... (no L plate) then the 10 minute Full test.

[bluninja]

When I started riding motorcycles ... the only bit of MY riding kit, that was manufactured for use on a motorcycle ... was my crash helmet. (a $5 job from a local second hand shop) I then bought a new visor for it. (another $8)

Two months on a learners ... (no L plate) then the 10 minute Full test.

You were lucky....my second hand bell helmet was several sizes too large and had no visor...at 50mph it would start to rise off my head just held in place by the chin strap. I missed out on taking the 10 min round the block test in the uk.....it changed whilst I was out of the country...so had to do CBT and pursuit test.

Took my test, bought new sports tourer and rode it for a week before having 2 days private tuition to improve my riding. 6 months later an advanced riding course.

[nzspokes]

So far ... only Aucklanders seem to think they are "Missing out" ...

Perhaps less "inconvenienced" than say South Island west coasters would be ... wouldn't you say .. ???

Well nobody lives south of the Bombays do they?

But that's another example of how badly thought out the system is unless your SI guy moves around the island. At least he does it on the road.

[nzspokes]

You were lucky....my second hand bell helmet was several sizes too large and had no visor...at 50mph it would start to rise off my head just held in place by the chin strap. I missed out on taking the 10 min round the block test in the uk.....it changed whilst I was out of the country...so had to do CBT and pursuit test.

Took my test, bought new sports tourer and rode it for a week before having 2 days private tuition to improve my riding. 6 months later an advanced riding course.

I had to ride a 200 year old motorbike to school in the snow with just me undies on.........

[FJRider]

Well nobody lives south of the Bombays do they?

Do the one's north of it have a life though ...

But that's another example of how badly thought out the system is unless your SI guy moves around the island. At least he does it on the road.

Nowhere in the south island is more than a days ride away. I hadn't realised the north island was any different.

[bluninja]

I had to ride a 200 year old motorbike to school in the snow with just me undies on.........

Oooooooooh.....I used to dream of even touching a 200 year old motorbike. We just had fossilised bike parts held together with dried snot with melted tar from t'roads as fuel.

And now for something completey different...KB to put a thread back on topic?

So ACC training providers are announced.
People were asked to tender (or not) and the ACC chose some. Some people think they made the wrong choices.
Peeps are unahppy with the missed opportunities (as they see them) by ACC in subsidising training.
There is concerns at availability ofr training due to course location.
There is concern that road based training courses are being run on racetracks.
There is concern that the people that the training is aimed at (the people that cost ACC loads by crashing and surviving) will not take up any training without loads of incentives.
There are concerns that people still remember Monty Python sketches.

[Tricia1000]

But that's another example of how badly thought out the system is unless your SI guy moves around the island. At least he does it on the road.

As I mentioned. 80% of each course MUST BE CONDUCTED ON ROAD!!!! No buts, or maybes.
Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

[Tricia1000]

Don't forget Roadsafe in Wellington. They do their training on road. They have cover up to the Waikato (Not sure EXACTLY where the cut-off point is. They did ask me however, if I would do some training in Tauranga for them. Which I said I would do.

Well nobody lives south of the Bombays do they?

But that's another example of how badly thought out the system is unless your SI guy moves around the island. At least he does it on the road.

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

[bosslady]

I attended one of these pro rider acc subsidised novice courses on Friday and it was great. I totally recommend this to any learner/novice and honestly for $20, you can't go wrong and everyone should be taking advantage of this! I did the one in Sth Auckland with Chris and he was a really great, knowledgeable guy we met at the autobahn cafe near BP Bombay although a couple of people accidentally went to the papakura one lol. I almost made the same mistake so maybe when you guys send out the email a week or whatever beforehand maybe you could write a note that it's not the papakura one? Anyway thanks a lot for this and also I am wondering if you offer some kind of other tuition because I want to grow my confidence riding on gravel?