Drug decriminalisation in Portugal

[scumdog]

The opinion of one of our resident pigs, by that logic we should all be vegans or at least vegetarians cos everything else will kill you eventually (in excess) kinda sounds like we can't have weed "because I said so."
Tell me, scumdog, on Friday or Saturday night how many stoners do you pick up for violent crimes as opposed to drunks fighting at bars or beating their wives, and if I asked an ambulance driver a similar question what would he say?

I dunno who you mean by 'resident pig' sunshine but I for one would love top see alcohol disappear from the face of the earth.

Oh, and a lot of those on a Friday or Saturday night have already toked-up before hitting the Codys, Woodies or other fine beverages, maybe they think the weed will cancel out the nastiness of the alcamahol??

Although more and more seem to be going for the K2 type of shit - the benefit of that is weed is getting way cheaper...

[Mushu]

I dunno who you mean by 'resident pig' sunshine but I for one would love top see alcohol disappear from the face of the earth.

Oh, and a lot of those on a Friday or Saturday night have already toked-up before hitting the Codys, Woodies or other fine beverages, maybe they think the weed will cancel out the nastiness of the alcamahol??

Although more and more seem to be going for the K2 type of shit - the benefit of that is weed is getting way cheaper...

Are you not a member of the biggest gang in the world?

The common denominator (as can be seen on a fair few television programs these days eg. police 10-7) seems to be alcohol, I recently gave up pot for the purpose of passing possible piss tests. All of my friends are heavy pot users, some sell too and I can tell you none of them ever become violent or even mischiefious as a direct result of weed but there are those I will not associate with if they are drinking, or in the case of 1 friend smoking p (and I give him a ton of shit when he sobers up). All are long term users and among them use of other drugs (besides socially acceptable alcohol) is very rare, most are quite opposed to p, I see no evidence of pot being a gateway drug.

K2 (which I have been smoking a bit of lately) is a bit of an unknown entity, especially when they change it often to beat the system, pretty sure I'd be better off smoking good old Mary Jane, weed isn't getting cheaper its far less common to find a small grower these days most of it seems to be grown by the mongrel mob and they ain't gonna let the prices go down.

Look up prohibition, making alcohol illegal has been done before that's how all the 30s gangsters made their money. And plenty of people died drinking bathtub homebrew. I think that's why you won't hear the authorities refer to it as drug prohibition the population might make the connection but it all proves my point that prohibition has the exact opposite effect of what is desired.

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[007XX]

Sure sure ... I agree in regards to trying to keep hardstuff, and softstuff to a degree, away from younguns.

I was just trying to highlight that irrespective of him having been surrounded by us drug nutfuckles, he didn't want a bar of it... then he went to Uni and changed his mind. Why the sudden change of mind? Peer Pressure? Or just a change of mind?

Neither you nor I will ever know, for we haven't got enough info. It could have been any number of things: a girl involved, pressure from a different study dynamic, newfound freedom from parents, or all of the above combined.

But just attributing it to one factor would be overly simplistic. I grew up between a "hippyish meditation adept" mother, and a "catholic raised, extremely strict" father. She let me get away with murder, he had me followed by my uncle who was a cop... Long story short, I was predicted to end up a junkie or a whore because I was rebellious and I liked to have a good time at 16.

You don't know, nobody does. People end up what they are and how they are, partly due to outside influences sure... But mostly because of their own choices, of who they are on the inside. Drugs are but one of those choices in my view.

I trust in my kids to be intelligent enough to make the right call in the future. They'll make mistakes of course, and I'll be there to pick up the pieces, always.

[Mushu]

Neither you nor I will ever know, for we haven't got enough info. It could have been any number of things: a girl involved, pressure from a different study dynamic, newfound freedom from parents, or all of the above combined.

With all these plausible reasons for drug use (after high school where parents lose control and in most case even the ability to influence their kids at least for a few years)
It reaffirms my position that the only useful way to go is to educate your own kids (honestly) and encourage them to do their own research.

I notice a complete lack of arguments to my claim that prohibition has the exact opposite effect as is (atleast openly) intended.

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[Akzle]

in my 'model' we get all the junkies and alcoholics onto the wacky backy, then a five day cleanse and vege fast, then an evening with Mescalito on a mountain top during a full moon with the high priestess Almitra in attendance

ohnonononNONONO NO. fuck that.

They'll make mistakes of course, and I'll be there to pick up the pieces, always.

until you die, obviously.

a complete lack of arguments to my claim that prohibition has the exact opposite effect as is (atleast openly) intended.

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considered, that, maybe no-one's arguing the point?

Sent from an unpretentious laptop using a keyboard, like a normal fucking person.

[Fergus]

It reaffirms my position that the only useful way to go is to educate your own kids (honestly) and encourage them to do their own research.

You want parents to educate their children on a subject most will know nothing about?

You may as well be their chemistry teacher because 'some of your mates have used chemicals and they told you about their experience'...


Anecdotal evidence (of which this thread is full of..) is for people who believe in astrology and homeopathy and should stay the fuck away from education.

[Akzle]

"of which this thread is full of"

education eh.

gooder english might help you on your merry way.

[scissorhands]

Anecdotal evidence (of which this thread is full of..) is for people who believe in astrology and homeopathy and should stay the fuck away from education.

Homeopathy was 50/50 patient wise with alopathic medicine at the turn of the 1900's
the Queen mother is a big fan of homeopathy
vaccines use similar processes as homeopathy
astrology is a very old science that was synonymous with science for thousands of years
something is now dumbing you down

I agree the ignorant should stay the fuck away from education, thanks
anecdotal evidence is some of the best around
when clues are needed first

[Madness]

the Queen mother is a big fan of homeopathy

Dude, take a seat. I have some terrible news for you.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/622457.stm

I'm guessing you've been munted for the past 11 years & never heard the news?

[scissorhands]

I avoid most media and dont remember useless facts
I know thingy got married to whats her name

I've been uber straight for most of those years....

[Madness]

I avoid most media and dont remember useless facts

But you remembered TQM was a fan of homo-pathy?

[007XX]

until you die, obviously.

Nah cos I'll haunt them... I'm that stubborn. All kidding aside, isn't parenting supposed to be the voice of reason one hears in times of trials.

Meh... Hope floats eh.

[Mushu]

You want parents to educate their children on a subject most will know nothing about?

You may as well be their chemistry teacher because 'some of your mates have used chemicals and they told you about their experience'...


Anecdotal evidence (of which this thread is full of..) is for people who believe in astrology and homeopathy and should stay the fuck away from education.

Its better than your kids being fed lies and propaganda from the schools and government 'just say no' campaigns.
If you can't be fucked getting the facts then your kids are pretty fucked anyway, pretty much anything taught to me by my parents stuck with me, far better than what was taught by teachers, feed to me by the government etc..

Sure you shouldn't teach your kids something you don't know about, so if you think it's important do the research. How important is chemistry to the general population.

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[Fergus]

Homeopathy was 50/50 patient wise with alopathic medicine at the turn of the 1900's
the Queen mother is a big fan of homeopathy
vaccines use similar processes as homeopathy
astrology is a very old science that was synonymous with science for thousands of years
something is now dumbing you down

I agree the ignorant should stay the fuck away from education, thanks
anecdotal evidence is some of the best around
when clues are needed first

I take medical advice from medical professionals not royalty.

Vaccination has nothing in common with homeopathy, one is based on science, one is not.

Something doesn't become true simply because it is old. astrology was and always will be pseudo science.

Education has dumbed me down to the point where I apply rationale and critical thought to everything. I have become too 'ignorant' to believe claims that aren't logical, rational, empirical, repeatable etc etc(ie reached via scientific method) and now I can barely believe anything!


Anecdotal evidence is not 'some of the best around', it is literally the opposite of scientific evidence:

anecdotal
adjective /ˌæn.ɪkˈdəʊ.təl/ /-ˈdoʊ.t̬əl/

Definition
› describes information that is not based on facts or careful study:

[Mushu]

considered, that, maybe no-one's arguing the point?

I think it's a pretty major point, and to date not a single person is able to give an intelligent argument against it. ignoring the facts - that's the reason we have these problems in the first place. People need to be responsible for themselves and not push their values on others the police should have better things to do.

If you go back far enough, some of us would have been burned at the stake for being atheist, these days my biggest worry is the cops finding my stash (I usually buy an ounce at a time which is more than enough for a distribution charge and a decent stint in jail)

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