ANZACs and war and stuff

[bluninja]

Maybe I'm missing something, but how old are you?

Not very old...just recycled cells dying and growing anew all the time; reborn every 2 years ish

Grandfather fought WWI and WWII 1 uncle did bomb disposal and was awarded for bravery for carrying an unexploded bomb out of a residential area in his arms; another uncle took part in the Berlin air lift. My dad was in the navy in Borneo and during the atomic testing.....the South Atlantic Iwas referring to was during the Falklands war in 1982...sorry for any confusion.

[Flip]

Got there early, helped set up the gun. Picked up a couple of the oldies from a local rest home. Drove the parade in first low. Got back to the RSA for the service. Fired the gun 4 times. Took the gun back to the workshop and gave it a pull through.

The truck on the left with all the aerials is mine.

[oldrider]

It's disappointing, but not particularly surprising, that you would use Anzac Day commemorations to slide JW doctrines under the door.

War! That's it right there!

Mealy mouthed little wankers like you start something nasty that you can't finish and then mean and nasty arseholes like me take advantage and beat your brains out for it and then your friends who are real men come and try to take me apart so I get a couple of my mates to see your mates off and the whole thing keeps growing and growing until the fight is taken to it's limit and everything goes to shit and no one knows what the fuck started it and you have either died got sick or moved on to annoying some other fucker for some other entirely unrelated reason!



Stalin Churchill Roosevelt Hitler Tojo et al, were just political versions of you and I but with much bigger stages to act on and more people to waste while they were at it!

We never learn from our mistakes, therefore we are destined to repeat them, over and over and over and over .... Ad infinitum!

[Virago]

He enjoys the same freedoms as you. Freedoms for which many died ... in the hope those freedoms were protected.

He has his own opinions ... as do you. His own beliefs ... as do you.

He has the right to express/voice his opinions ... as do you. Regardless of the fact that you, any, all ... (or none) are in agreement.

With either of you.

I think today of all days ... it is appropriate that you remember that.

Yep. Many fought and died for our freedoms - even for those who object to Anzac Day commemorations - no problem. I was simply commenting on what I believe are Ed's real reasons for starting the thread.

(Or do I not have the freedom to an opinion on that...? )

[Swoop]

We will remember them.


Grandfather was gassed at Ypres, recovered and returned to the front line, luckily seeing it through until the end.
Parents were both kids during the blitz.

[James Deuce]

Imagine, after all this, I still don't like ANZAC biscuits.

[FJRider]

(Or do I not have the freedom to an opinion on that...? )

I thought the post of mine you quoted ... explained it quite clearly. A simple premiss that you obviously agree with. But obviously don't fully understand (hence the bit I quoted).

Personal comments on the beliefs of members by those tasked with moderation is not appropriate ... in my opinion.

As has been already stated ... wars have been started for less.

[Hitcher]

Please people, easy on the personal abuse and try to resist the temptation to turn this into another Ed Thread(TM).

[Ocean1]

Imagine, after all this, I still don't like ANZAC biscuits.

I doubt you've ever had one.

My Uncle used to make 'em to some esoteric, secret "original recipe", they were the Army's version of hard tack. He used to take a good supply with him when he went hunting, would pound them up, add hot water and eat them like a breakfast cereal. As far as I was concerned they were inedible.

[Virago]

I thought the post of mine you quoted ... explained it quite clearly. A simple premiss that you obviously agree with. But obviously don't fully understand (hence the bit I quoted).

Personal comments on the beliefs of members by those tasked with moderation is not appropriate ... in my opinion.

As has been already stated ... wars have been started for less.

1) - All members - including moderators - are entitled to opinions.

2) - I'm not a moderator - haven't been one for around two years.

3) - In your opinion? Lucky you...

4) - If I've started a war, my apologies.

Sincerely,

Adolf.

[Woodman]

Fuck me, this thread just proves how fucked this place has become.

[_Shrek_]

It’s a shame that threads like this end up .

aye fq, my G.G father along with my one of my G father's came home totally changed men & never spoke about it, (WW11) my Uncle, a guy I got to know late 70's through to 80's on the West Coast & my training Staff.sgt came home from Nam, my Uncle died of cancer, (ancient orange) my mate blew his head off with a 303, because of the nightmares he use to have, he was a door gunner (50cal) my Staff is still alive but fighting cancer (ancient orange) is believed to be the main suspect in both cases

my G.fathers never went to a dawn parade or the RSA they just wanted to forget, the other three, only one of them went to a dawn parade service, but they all would be at the RSA at 0530 & be shit faced by 1200 & remember their mates they did!!!

I just find it realy sad that there are those who, want to shift the focus off what today means just so they can get their own view in & put others down

I remember my G.fathers, Uncle, Staffsgt, & my mate for what they did for us all

"Lest We Forget"

[Edbear]

Not very old...just recycled cells dying and growing anew all the time; reborn every 2 years ish

Grandfather fought WWI and WWII 1 uncle did bomb disposal and was awarded for bravery for carrying an unexploded bomb out of a residential area in his arms; another uncle took part in the Berlin air lift. My dad was in the navy in Borneo and during the atomic testing.....the South Atlantic Iwas referring to was during the Falklands war in 1982...sorry for any confusion.

That's okay, thanks for the clarification.

Yep. Many fought and died for our freedoms - even for those who object to Anzac Day commemorations - no problem. I was simply commenting on what I believe are Ed's real reasons for starting the thread.

(Or do I not have the freedom to an opinion on that...? )

Of course, just as I have the freedom to tell you you're wrong. But that is quite normal for you...

[oldrider]

My Post was not an attack on Virago or anybody else, it was to simply illustrate how simple it is to trigger war amongst us humans!

Obviously the gene in us is alive and well so I guess the lull in RSA membership is only a temporary thing!

[Robert Taylor]

Thoughts? There seems to be more made of ANZAC Day in the last couple of years, as though it is becoming more relevant today than in past years.

Why do you think this is? Is the world becoming more averse to the rising violence and International tensions? The message coming across is that we need to remember and learn from our past and not to revisit it again. Not to see those fallen as falling in vain and to highlight the futility of war.

It has been noticeable in questionnaires over recent years that more and more people would register as Conscientious Objectors if called up for service and this crosses all areas of society, not just your traditional pacifists. It seems to be part of the rise of the "common people" to not be ruled by TPTB and simply told what to do.

Conversely, there is still a keen interest in joining or otherwise supporting the armed forces for the vocational training and discipline they provide and for national pride.

Do you think ANZAC Day is still relevant, do you support it and what are your attitudes to war today? I would put up a poll, but that wouldn't help so much as letting people say what they think.

Yes it is very relevant and it is heartening that so many young people are embracing it.

Last October I ventured into the crypt at St Pauls Cathedral and was horrified to evidence that General Sir Ian Hamilton is interned there. The British officer who commanded the whole dodgy Anzac cove landings and needlessly sent so many Anzacs to their death. I was disgusted that such a butcher is interned there against worthy war heroes.

We are also I believe misplaced in putting General Freyberg on a pedestal, his command in Crete was a failure. Allied troops should have repulsed the German paratroop landings. Conversely we dont make enough fuss of Sir Keith Park, a major player in the success of the Battle of Britain.

Our armed forces.....mmmm. We dont have a proper Air Force, thats sickening. Just my two cents worth