North Korea v America

[Akzle]

hly fk 4 mnths Bhind da thred.

i'll go sit in the corner.

[Brian d marge]

Churchill on the other hand.

churchill on the one hand and stalin on the other

Stephen

[Hinny]

Oh and finally we sent allnthe gold over there for safe keeping , and the little fkers kept it ,


Stephen

The US only agreed to enter the second World War on condition that The Brits and all their allies surrender their gold reserves to them.
Stuck it in Fort Knox.
It wasn't a case of sending it there for safe keeping.

[Brian d marge]

The US only agreed to enter the second World War on condition that The Brits and all their allies surrender their gold reserves to them.
Stuck it in Fort Knox.
It wasn't a case of sending it there for safe keeping.

that makes it worse

the ( not so ) little fkers

stephen

off to by a large sized beach towel

[awa355]

The US only agreed to enter the second World War on condition that The Brits and all their allies surrender their gold reserves to them.
Stuck it in Fort Knox.
It wasn't a case of sending it there for safe keeping.

I dont think gold ever had any effect on Americas decision to enter the war, Japans attack on Pearl harbour was the catylist for that.

Now, regarding Pearl harbour, there is a strong conspiracy theory that the US govt knew that attack was going to happen, hence moving their aircraft carriers out and leaving basically their older ships in harbour. It would seem strange that the US intelligence agencies who would have been monitoring the Japanese for months would have missed the bulk of the Japanese navy slipping away from their bases.

Hard to believe that 'God fearing white people' would allow their own people to die in order to stimulate the public to want war, but this is politics at the highest level.

Anyway, Kim wong dong has been reasonably quiet for a week or two. Must be watching American basketball.

[husaberg]

I dont think gold ever had any effect on Americas decision to enter the war, Japans attack on Pearl harbour was the catylist for that.

Now, regarding Pearl harbour, there is a strong conspiracy theory that the US govt knew that attack was going to happen, hence moving their aircraft carriers out and leaving basically their older ships in harbour. It would seem strange that the US intelligence agencies who would have been monitoring the Japanese for months would have missed the bulk of the Japanese navy slipping away from their bases.

Hard to believe that 'God fearing white people' would allow their own people to die in order to stimulate the public to want war, but this is politics at the highest level.

Anyway, Kim wong dong has been reasonably quiet for a week or two. Must be watching American basketball.

Yes the Americans certainly ignored intelligence prior to Pearl Harbour.
But it need to be remembered the Americans had also been involved in China Prior to the attack.
As for the money situation as far as i know the Brits were still paying back America in the 80's (probably still are under the lend lease scheme.
So the America were profiting prior to entry. The citizens were loathe to enter another war so soon after the depression as well.
Either way pearl Harbour was a failure on the Japanese behalf.
As far as i know pretty much all the ships were recovered. there was only about 3 vessels total lost the planes were relatively easily replaced. and the people losses were only 2500 odd people.

The 3 carriers that were not present and the failure of the Japanese to launch the third wave were telling in the medium term.

As for Lil Wong Dong. the North Koreans leaders stay in power by convincing their people as the Cubans did. That the world is out to get them.

As always the Americans have more to fear from their own friendly fire.

[Hinny]

I dont think gold ever had any effect on Americas decision to enter the war, Japans attack on Pearl harbour was the catylist for that.

Now, regarding Pearl harbour, there is a strong conspiracy theory that the US govt knew that attack was going to happen....

Hard to believe that 'God fearing white people' would allow their own people to die in order to stimulate the public to want war, but this is politics at the highest level.

I heard it was the Brits who got wind of the impending attack and decided to not inform the Yanks so as to encourage them to enter the war.

Helloooo .... three numbers come to mind regarding the last bit.... 911
As Dick Cheney said they needed a new Pearl Harbour..... nek minnit.

[Oakie]

Condensed reason for Japan attacking USA:

Japan was in China to get at the Chinese resources because they had few of their own in their homeland.
At the time England, France and the Dutch had parts of their empires in Asia and the Japanese said "how rude!" If anyone should have an empire in Asia it should be us because our country is part of the region.

USA embargoed oil and steel exports to Japan and told the Japanese they wouldn't lift them until they exited China.

Japan were left in the position of either backing off and forever-after depending on other countries for their raw materials ... or going for broke and setting up an empire to provide the resources. To a certain extent they had little choice but to go for broke and as part of that they had to knock out the US Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbour.

The attack was supposed to be prefaced by a declaration of war first but for a couple of reasons this didn't happen and it became a 'sneak attack'.

If you want to have some fun, hop onto a US based website and tell them that Pearl Harbour was their fault and that it was US incompetence and arrogance on many levels that allowed the attack to be the surprise it was. You'll have the rednecks climbing out of the walls and it'll make the worst KB shitfight look like a church picnic.

Oh, BTW, my dad (whose wartime nickname is my KB handle) spent 4 years in a Jap POW camp after the fall of Singapore so I'm not a Jap apologist. I just enjoy knowing how history actually went down.

[awa355]

My fathers cousin was a pow in Malaysia. He was part of a burial party that was ordered to bury the remains of five locals that had been tied alive to trees and used for bayonet practice by the Japs. I have never had any sympathy for Japanese tragadies. Although the tsunami in 2011 was terrible. No one deserved to have that happen to them.

[Oakie]

Despite the appaling treatment Dad and his mates suffered in his camp, he never said anything bad to me about Japanese people. I'm glad as I'd hate to be carrying someone else's hatred. His only gesture was that as a car salesman, he refused to sell Honda cars when the company he worked for got the Honda franchise in addition to the Morris / Austin they already had back in the late 60s, early 70s.

[Hinny]

Condensed reason for Japan attacking USA:

Japan was in China to get at the Chinese resources because they had few of their own in their homeland.
At the time England, France and the Dutch had parts of their empires in Asia and the Japanese said "how rude!" If anyone should have an empire in Asia it should be us because our country is part of the region.

USA embargoed oil and steel exports to Japan and told the Japanese they wouldn't lift them until they exited China.

Japan were left in the position of either backing off and forever-after depending on other countries for their raw materials ... or going for broke and setting up an empire to provide the resources. To a certain extent they had little choice but to go for broke and as part of that they had to knock out the US Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbour.

Their condensed version is they were trying to halt US expansionism into the Pacific.

[oneofsix]

Their condensed version is they were trying to halt US expansionism into the Pacific.

That would be ironic if true. Part of the USA condition on entering the war in Europe was that Britain gave up her empire, also the USA ended up with more of the Pacific after the war than she had before.
Japan was hurting due to the embargoes, Japan wanted to free Asia from the European colonial powers but she did realise that the USA pacific fleet was her biggest threat. Also Hawaii could be seen as one of those colonies Japans was "freeing" for Japan's point of view as it is closure to Japan than USA.

[Oakie]

Their condensed version is they were trying to halt US expansionism into the Pacific.

But history is written by the victors.

[oldrider]

But history is written by the victors.

Some say Maori have put paid to that theory these days!

[awa355]

Despite the appaling treatment Dad and his mates suffered in his camp, he never said anything bad to me about Japanese people. I'm glad as I'd hate to be carrying someone else's hatred. His only gesture was that as a car salesman, he refused to sell Honda cars when the company he worked for got the Honda franchise in addition to the Morris / Austin they already had back in the late 60s, early 70s.

I did read that an ex Japanese soldier was amazed to hear that they were regarded by the Americans and allies as "Highly skilled dangerous jungle fighters", He added that the average Jap soldier was scared shitless of the jungle and the creepie crawlies. Most had never been away from their urban roots in their lives.