MotoGP 2013

**Crasherfromwayback** · 19th May 2013, 15:29

Originally Posted by Drew

I'm just trying to keep some perspective. Rossi is handing it to Dovi so far this year too.

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Here's some perspective for ya. Rossi is on one of the best bikes there is...he's not once this year managed to beat his own team mate who happenes to be on the very same bike. He's been beaten by a guy on a Satelite version of his bike already, and barely out qualified Bradley fucking Smith last night. And unless it rains...it ain't looking good from his *perspective*. Don't get me wrong...I'd love to see him win races. But that's not my question. My question is...is the Rossi *bubble* gonna get well and truly burst this year? If so...on top of the Ducati debacle...I think it's safe to say that he's very lucky Lorenzo, Stoner MM etc etc weren't around at the same time as he was. Else I doubt very much he'd have his 7 premier titles. But hey...the same could be said for Doohan etc.

**bogan** · 19th May 2013, 15:30

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

If Dovi beats Rossi just once this year...to me...the whole Rossi is the best/goat/man whatever will go up in a huge puff of smoke.

GOAT and greatest racer have been distanced by the media spin, I wouldn't be too concerned with who gets what title. I'd like to see Rossi win a few more because he makes for entertaining racing. But speaking of 'goat' MM has got jorge's goat now, and that should make for some entertaining races too.

**pritch** · 19th May 2013, 15:31

Originally Posted by Drew

Stoner was the only guy that could ride the thing.

True. Once Audi have a had a chance to get the bike sorted things might change. Not being an engineer it's hard to say, but I can't help but feel it'll take a major redesign to get that thing to steer. Something like moving that drive sprocket forward about a foot?

**Crasherfromwayback** · 19th May 2013, 15:43

Originally Posted by bogan

I'd like to see Rossi win a few more because he makes for entertaining racing. But speaking of 'goat' MM has got jorge's goat now, and that should make for some entertaining races too.

Me too for that very reason. And you're not wrong there.

Originally Posted by pritch

True. Once Audi have a had a chance to get the bike sorted things might change. Not being an engineer it's hard to say, but I can't help but feel it'll take a major redesign to get that thing to steer.

Aye. Once again...only goes to show how good Stoner actually was. Such a loss to the sport...especially now MM has arrived. Watching him qualify last night...it was like watching Stoner all over again. Rides the thing so the same way I reckon. But we need about ten of them doing the same...not just one per season!

**cmoore** · 19th May 2013, 15:48

its also fair to point out that the ducati should get better at some point...if they are working hard to fix the issues...so i would expect ducati to get there...and if Dovi is on it when they do then rossi had better look out...and I am a big Yamaha fan...I was of the opinion you shouldn't go backwards, but willing to give rossi a chance... so far he has not been where he wants to be or the team wants to be...still early days....3 in..15 to go, he is fourth now and maybe that is ok, maybe they expect MM to crash out at least once...

**Drew** · 19th May 2013, 15:52

I don't disagree mate. The Rossi phenomenon has followers who cannot see the forest for the trees.

He was the best at the time, and just like Ago's did, his records will be beaten. GOAT is simply not attainable, the goal posts are an ever changing thing to start with.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 19th May 2013, 15:54

Originally Posted by cmoore

its also fair to point out that the ducati should get better at some point...if they are working hard to fix the issues...so i would expect ducati to get there...and if Dovi is on it when they do then rossi had better look out....

You'd hope so eh. It'd be a crying shame if they (Ducati) left the sport because they couldn't get competitive. And I'm a huge Dovi fan. I think he's got the sharp end of the stick a fair few times...so be good to see him have a goodin.

**pritch** · 19th May 2013, 15:59

Originally Posted by cmoore

...and I am a big Yamaha fan...

And I was thinking that avatar was a red herring.

**cmoore** · 19th May 2013, 16:04

what a choice these guys have eh...stay with a satellite bike or go for a factory bike which isn't performing....depends on whether you enjoy moaning or want to control your own destiny....

as for Rossi and Lorenzo....do they really have the same bike??...will Rossi be looking over the wall for some advice??....how can two bikes the "same" be performing so differently...having said that, they are third and fourth...14 points apart...so maybe they arn't that far apart...it just seems that way..Rossi 2,6,4....Lorenzo 1,3,3

**cmoore** · 19th May 2013, 16:08

Originally Posted by pritch

And I was thinking that avatar was a red herring.

Red herring is an English-language idiom, a logical fallacy that misleads or detracts from the issue.[1] It is also a literary device that leads readers or characters towards a false conclusion, often used in mystery or detective fiction.

The origin of the expression has a number of theories. Conventional wisdom has long attributed it to a technique of training hounds to follow a scent, or of distracting hounds during a fox hunt, but modern linguistic research suggests that it was most likely a literary device invented in 1807 by English polemicist William Cobbett, and never an actual practice of hunters. The phrase was later borrowed to provide a formal name for the logical fallacy, and is also a formal name for a literary device or technique

**cmoore** · 19th May 2013, 16:22

Originally Posted by Mental Trousers

A top 5 in any race this season?? You're on.

Top 4 for the year will be Marquez, Lorenzo, Pedrossa and Rossi with Crutchlow in fifth. Only way that's not going to happen is if one of them gets smashed up in an accident. There's no odds there.

Smith Qualifies ninth.....your top 5 bet is looking safe so far..