Government hypocrisy

[awa355]

What a sorry piece of legislation. If this isn't justification for retaining the 3 year term nothing is.

A quote from one comment under the editorial.

" New Zealand's MP's have long believed that they are a law unto themselves and do not represent their electorates. Their sole task is to represent a Party and support their Party's policy while passing Laws the affect us all (no matter how much we the electors object).

Public Consultation means little under this system (in fact, it is an excuse for business interests to lobby hard for what is in their favour). Referenda are ignored.

The worst part is that when election time comes, one crook after another stands up, tells us that they are acting in our best interests, promises to listen- then we vote them in. They are no different from any of the others.

New Zealander's Rights have been whittled away by fly-by-night legislation (plenty of examples in the last decade). This is the latest one. "

What was it about the 'disabled' that required such secrecy?? Nationals greatest weapon is Labour, They have nothing to offer as an alternative.

I really dont know what the answer is.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz-governm...ectid=10884930

[MSTRS:Me]

A govt that would do this, as well as the disgusting SkyCity deal is out of control. Couple that to a prime minister (and lackeys) who will stand in front of us and tell us fracking is safe....I for one despair. There is no viable alternative to these pricks.
*seriously thinking of deserting the sinking ship*

[kevie]

Yep and next election what will the people of NZ do >>>>>>>> vote the same party back in again ..... i really believe the populous of voters here have effectively been brainwashed over the generations to believe national and Labors lie that "a vote for a minor party is a wasted vote"

I always ask ...... what makes a major party??????? i recon it is simply ......... the number of votes they get, nzers get sick of Nats so vote labor, sick of labor and replace them with nat ... and repeat the process every election....... i always tell friends, if there's a nationwide swing to minor party(s) then Nat and labor would possibly become ..... minor parties cos they may not get the threshold of votes.

time for nzers to return to the 50-60s and grow the balls to stand up and defend this nation,

I had labor guy come to my door last election to tell me how Labor is the party I should vote for...... i told him go away .... rally his party together and get the old documentation out and look at why the party was formed ..... not for the rich mates you (like nats) are looking after, but you were formed for the low class working family's of nz
Told him if they got back to what they should be ... then I will listen to what he has to say.

Only party that is attracting my attention at present is the new Conservative party..... worth looking at their site http://www.conservativeparty.org.nz/

[madandy]

David Shearer led Labour probably will become a minor party next election if Greens party attract more traditional red voters...

[mashman]

I really dont know what the answer is.

This is typical of economically focused governments that are becoming the norm across the globe. Forget the people, think about what will happen to the economy.

I've got an answer.

Repost (albeit using slightly different words)

There is no viable alternative to these pricks.
*seriously thinking of deserting the sinking ship*

Bullshit. there's always an alternative! Don't leave, it's pointless. I came to NZ for very similar reasons, sick of the bullshit yadda yadda yadda and what did I find. Same 2 party politics with fuck all to do other than shift budgets from one populist policy to the next, year in year out, election in election out.

Instead of deserting the sinking ship. Perhaps you could help to build "mine" (ours)? 18 months and counting

Yep and next election what will the people of NZ do >>>>>>>> vote the same party back in again ..... i really believe the populous of voters here have effectively been brainwashed over the generations to believe national and Labors lie that "a vote for a minor party is a wasted vote"

I always ask ...... what makes a major party??????? i recon it is simply ......... the number of votes they get, nzers get sick of Nats so vote labor, sick of labor and replace them with nat ... and repeat the process every election....... i always tell friends, if there's a nationwide swing to minor party(s) then Nat and labor would possibly become ..... minor parties cos they may not get the threshold of votes.

Honestly. If the minor party's really wanted to make that much of a difference to the current system then they would have. They'd stick their heads together and short of a few different policy's for their flag carrying members, they'd give TPTB something to think about. The unfortunate thing is that the minority party's will have the same budget, the same country's to deal with, the same businesses in the country, the same financial system with the same rules etc... You just have to look at those who vehemently deny the Greens on the basis that they are environmental loons without any financial nouse. What chance do the other party's have?

You're right though, they have been brainwashed.

[scissorhands]

fuck the nasty party

[Swoop]

Nothing new with the news that MP's do not represent their electorate.


A psycologist mate explains it as:

1st year in, after the election = kick you in the balls.
2nd year = pick you up off of the floor.
3rd year = dust you off and tell you how great you are.
Then we are back to an election...

The ONLY time you have any form of control over your MP is close to an election. Lobby them HARD at that time.

[oneofsix]

David Shearer led Labour probably will become a minor party next election if Greens party attract more traditional red voters...

Labour and Nationals have both been minor parties for several elections now, just that people keep believing the media's simplification of the situation. As to the Greens they are becoming as corrupt in their policies as the others. Still real corruption is with the Nats with their lies and sell outs but they will still get enough votes to be able to shop around for partners to keep them in power, and this is where the duplicity of the "minor" parties shines through as they sell out their ideals to get a slice of the treasury benches.

But don't mention protest because then all the ney say will come out of the wood work to tell you how it would work and how you will never get enough people etc, funny how they are so afraid of something that supposedly wont work, are they afraid kiwis might grow a backbone and try to keep the Govt honest? It's ok the Nats will just pass a law like the maritime one, no protests within 200km of Parliament.

[scissorhands]

hipocracy

is that a hippo who smoked some synthetic cannabis?

[MisterD]

fuck the nasty party

Don't worry, with Shearer as leader, they're doing it to themselves.

[Genestho]

Nothing new with the news that MP's do not represent their electorate.



The ONLY time you have any form of control over your MP is close to an election. Lobby them HARD at that time.

True story, and.. if it looks like the opposition has a good chance of getting in, lobby them HARD too...

Something else I firmly believe is that if you're interested in your country then get involved, read legislation proposals and make submissions towards them, it's there where you find what's being put through.

Although general public won't and that's where any party or policy has the edge over a lot of its voters.

[MisterD]

If this isn't justification for retaining the 3 year term nothing is.

The point about 3 versus 4 years is that governments hardly ever get voted out after three years, so we end up with a defacto 6 year term.

If National were truly as awful as you hyperventilating lefties make out, they'd have been dumped after a first 4-year term.

[oneofsix]

The point about 3 versus 4 years is that governments hardly ever get voted out after three years, so we end up with a defacto 6 year term.

If National were truly as awful as you hyperventilating lefties make out, they'd have been dumped after a first 4-year term.

No they wouldn't. People were still talking Anti-Helen in the fourth year and so would have still given them a defacto 8 year term. Their asset sales and other stuff they were always going to do in term 2 would have still not have happened so term 2 would have happened. Your best hope is you would save ONE year, they would stand less chance of a third term and the opposition would have an extra 2 years to regroup however since MMP the weakening "major party" and the more minnows they have to do deal with is what eventually loses them the election. The likes of Dunn, Peters, and minor parties have brought down more Govts. than either Labour or National in opposition.

[mashman]

The ONLY time you have any form of control over your MP is close to an election. Lobby them HARD at that time.

Then once the election is over they can ignore anything they were lobbied for in the first place, coz they know that those minority who give a shit about the broken promises don't actually matter unless you're fighting a tight electorate. Even at that those who lobbied would likely be dyed in the wool in one colour or another. Just to be clear coz there's so many negative fuckstains on KB, I'm not saying don't try, just don't get yer knickers in a twist if you lose something whilst supposedly gaining something else.

[MisterD]

No they wouldn't. People were still talking Anti-Helen in the fourth year and so would have still given them a defacto 8 year term.

Which is possibly true, but that's a lot to do with how despised Clark was after her three terms...