MotoGP 2013

**Crasherfromwayback** · 14th July 2013, 17:30

Originally Posted by haydes55

Which is a shame because the right hand crashes were predominantly front ends tucking in.

Although the REAL nasty ones (Lorenzo & Pedro) were both rears/high sides like the good old days.

**tail_end_charlie** · 14th July 2013, 17:35

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Although the REAL nasty ones (Lorenzo & Pedro) were both rears/high sides like the good old days.

Yeah, seems like an interesting combination. Cal, Dovi, Nicky and Bradl all had front end crashes in right handers, while Jorge, Dani and Nicky (he saved his............somehow) had the rear come around and try to pass the front.

I thought modern electronics were suppose to prevent highsides like JL and DP's??

**Crasherfromwayback** · 14th July 2013, 17:39

Originally Posted by tail_end_charlie

I thought modern electronics were suppose to prevent highsides like JL and DP's??

Yeah as far as *safety* goes...I reckon I''ve seen as many nasty high sides with the electronics as I did when they were on 500's. DP's one you'll never be able to stop, as it was on a chopped throttle so just a cold tyre issue really I guess. But fuck did he fly!!!

**Robert Taylor** · 14th July 2013, 18:42

Originally Posted by pritch

I await your comments with interest.

On the unusually competitive Espagaro: the tight nature of the "go-kart" track is such that the extra power of the factory bikes is minimised.
The CRT tyres are also seen as advantageous.

On the crashes: some riders, even those who haven't crashed, say the track is dangerous. There are ten left turns but just three right, most crashes have been at turns four and eleven where the direction changes from l to r. A (130mph) crash at 11 usually means a trip to the Clinica Mobile. A quick(ish) fix is thought to be asymmetric tyres. Shame they didn't think of that earlier?

Ive decided not to post about this as my competitors doubtless read my posts and Im not going to make it any easier for them as they speak to their suppliers. Im not saying that smugly, I pulled apart a competitors brand of shock and cartridges just last week and the amount of components that are a direct copy of our Ohlins product is unbelievable. Including some of the same shortcomings....Its easy to copy on the back of another companies R&D costs, pretty immoral really.

We have been doing work in the direction of alternate fork damping curve shapes ourselves and the new suspension dyno has been wonderful in graphically seeing the changes and getting a solid and in fact a largely foolproof direction before you test . Pritch, as you are a local to New Plymouth and now a man of leisure Id be happy to show you some of the things we are up to if you call in for a coffee one day.

**onearmedbandit** · 14th July 2013, 18:46

Quick before it gets pulled down.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 14th July 2013, 18:57

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

Quick before it gets pulled down.

Yeah was well nasty eh!?

**Drew** · 14th July 2013, 19:01

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

Ive decided not to post about this as my competitors doubtless read my posts and Im not going to make it any easier for them as they speak to their suppliers. Im not saying that smugly, I pulled apart a competitors brand of shock and cartridges just last week and the amount of components that are a direct copy of our Ohlins product is unbelievable. Including some of the same shortcomings....Its easy to copy on the back of another companies R&D costs, pretty immoral really.

We have been doing work in the direction of alternate fork damping curve shapes ourselves and the new suspension dyno has been wonderful in graphically seeing the changes and getting a solid and in fact a largely foolproof direction before you test . Pritch, as you are a local to New Plymouth and now a man of leisure Id be happy to show you some of the things we are up to if you call in for a coffee one day.

Dude, I was just on the phone to you. Could have at least tried to dumb it down enough for me!

**steveyb** · 14th July 2013, 19:07

Words of three letters would not work, sorry, it's just too complicated for that.

Now, having written that, he won't be able to understand it. Can someone translate it for him......??

You have good mates (fuck knows how or why) who work the telephone for you.... ahhh didums.

**Drew** · 14th July 2013, 19:09

Originally Posted by steveyb

Words of three letters would not work, sorry, it's just too complicated for that.

Now, having written that, he won't be able to understand it. Can someone translate it for him......??

You have good mates (fuck knows how or why) who work the telephone for you.... ahhh didums.

You got beat up a lot as a kid, didn't you Steve?

**steveyb** · 14th July 2013, 19:11

I think it was Johnny Rea when he was in the com-box yesterday was talking about how the B'stones need to be loaded as much as possible.
He said that when they unload they seem to lose grip a lot and can be hard to reestablish that grip in the same moments and they can let go.
Maybe they just wobble about too much and do need to have some more structure to them? Just like Vale and others were saying last year.
When I saw that front flatten out yesterday I was quite shocked actually. From an amateurs point of view, it didn't seem to be cricket.

**bogan** · 14th July 2013, 19:16

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

I pulled apart a competitors brand of shock and cartridges just last week and the amount of components that are a direct copy of our Ohlins product is unbelievable. Including some of the same shortcomings....Its easy to copy on the back of another companies R&D costs, pretty immoral really.

Best get that electrickery suspension sorted then, a lot harder to copy what's on a silicon chip...

**steveyb** · 14th July 2013, 19:20

Originally Posted by Drew

You got beat up a lot as a kid, didn't you Steve?

Not telling,

I'm not

telling.....

sniff

**haydes55** · 14th July 2013, 19:40

Originally Posted by bogan

Best get that electrickery suspension sorted then, a lot harder to copy what's on a silicon chip...

Ctrl+C Ctrl+P

Or something like that

**Robert Taylor** · 14th July 2013, 19:59

Originally Posted by bogan

Best get that electrickery suspension sorted then, a lot harder to copy what's on a silicon chip...

Yes there is electronic interface, there still though are hydraulic valving shims and various piston designs. It doesnt matter how much electronic trickery there is, the analog parts still fundamentally have to be in the zone.