The fascist regime that made you a moron: Thanks dJonkey

[Akzle]

a shame there wasnt one organised down at the gassy, i'd'a gone.
But of course. Its futile. And noone really gives a fuck.

[mashman]

a shame there wasnt one organised down at the gassy, i'd'a gone.
But of course. Its futile. And noone really gives a fuck.

Very true... although I do wonder what they give a fuck about sometimes.

[T.W.R]

And asylum in NZ?

nah the GCSB would intercept the application

[Brian d marge]

link...

http://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rct...,d.dGI&cad=rja


whoever it was should be given a commendation for making the comparison

key is such an American sycophant , its disgraceful

disgraceful

Stephen

[mashman]

key is such an American sycophant , its disgraceful

disgraceful

Stephen

If only it were just key. There's 61 of the fuckers agreeing with him. But yeah, disgraceful is an understatement and just as well too or they'd come and getcha. I'd go for self-interested cunts... but I'm safe.

[oldrider]

key is such an American sycophant , its disgraceful

disgraceful

Stephen

Sad part is that the only reason all the other parties/pollies etc are pissed off or against it, is that it's not "them" doing it! pick me, pick me, pick me!

[Oscar]

If only it were just key. There's 61 of the fuckers agreeing with him. But yeah, disgraceful is an understatement and just as well too or they'd come and getcha. I'd go for self-interested cunts... but I'm safe.

...and half the population. Burns you up, don't it?

[mashman]

...and half the population. Burns you up, don't it?

Once upon a not so long ago it didn't burn me up at all. Then it burned me up a lot... but these days it doesn't burn anywhere near as much. I realise there's plenty of time... I realise that there are people who want something done about it... I realise what needs to be done about it... I realise that the voting populous have little choice as to what they can vote for... I realise that you are a minority and that all it will take a little education to show just how much of a minority you are. So yes, it burns me up, but not as much as it used to.

[Winston001]

Oh for pity's sake guys, wake up and look around you at the safe benign life you have. I think Oscar has already expressed the reality of how that life is possible.

The law changes are to clarify the rights and obligations of the SIS and GCSB, and to provide better oversight. If National was not doing this, Labour would. That is because all of our political parties - except maybe the Greens - accept that spying is a necessary requirement for the security of our society.

I don't like it either but you cannot have a safe civil society without rules (laws) and boundaries. Its all very clever for we keyboard warriors to be brave and exaggerate fears of Big Brother but if your wife/parent/child was killed in a terrorist incident which could have been detected, you'd be on TV screaming about why the govt let it happen.

[mashman]

Oh for pity's sake guys, wake up and look around you at the safe benign life you have. I think Oscar has already expressed the reality of how that life is possible.

The law changes are to clarify the rights and obligations of the SIS and GCSB, and to provide better oversight. If National was not doing this, Labour would. That is because all of our political parties - except maybe the Greens - accept that spying is a necessary requirement for the security of our society.

I don't like it either but you cannot have a safe civil society without rules (laws) and boundaries. Its all very clever for we keyboard warriors to be brave and exaggerate fears of Big Brother but if your wife/parent/child was killed in a terrorist incident which could have been detected, you'd be on TV screaming about why the govt let it happen.

And yet the Boston bombings happened. I'm curious as to this security of our society thing you speak of. When has it ever been so unsecure? I'm sure the vast amount of terrorist activity that takes place in NZ today necessitates such a response.

Did you see the article from the UK where SOCA is holding the names of 102 individuals that are guilty of fraud... but they haven't done anything about it for 5 years and these guys have ruined the lives of thousands upon thousands of people. They have the evidence, as they've locked up 4 of the private investigators, yet they have done nothing about it. And you think that we need protection from terrorism? You may have noticed that a couple of whistleblowers (at least a couple) are being chased and persecuted because govts have broken the law, yet nothing happens. The only thing NZ doesn't have that the rest of the world has, is terrorism.

Even with all of our "rules" we're not civil, especially further up the chain. So get rid of the "riles" and we'll "police" ourselves at a community level. Ya don't know until you've tried it... and you wreak of fear.

[blue rider]

Oh for pity's sake guys, wake up and look around you at the safe benign life you have. I think Oscar has already expressed the reality of how that life is possible.

The law changes are to clarify the rights and obligations of the SIS and GCSB, and to provide better oversight. If National was not doing this, Labour would. That is because all of our political parties - except maybe the Greens - accept that spying is a necessary requirement for the security of our society.

I don't like it either but you cannot have a safe civil society without rules (laws) and boundaries. Its all very clever for we keyboard warriors to be brave and exaggerate fears of Big Brother but if your wife/parent/child was killed in a terrorist incident which could have been detected, you'd be on TV screaming about why the govt let it happen.

these guys pretty much said the same......Stasi


so did and still do these guys.............KGB



and also these guys.......and we know what that led too............Gestapo


fact is the police already has ample means for surveillance, however they have to provide due cause, well at least they had to provide something more that a he said she said, and their god is different then mine.

fact is also that once the power to "totaler ueberwachung" is given, it is hard to ever rescind it. Frankly the government has to make a better case before it starts collecting information on all of us, and if it does not concern yourself, because you are one of the good ones that never will do anything against the state, think of those that will come after you. what country would you like to leave them?

[Akzle]

these guys pretty much said the same......Stasi

that ak wouldnt be much fkn use. It has no trigger.

But yea, da ministerium is forming.

Wake up winston.
I dont mean it as a put down. Its a plea. Change your outlook, that your grandkids may have the option to aswel.

(srsly. Equilibrium)

[blue rider]

that ak wouldnt be much fkn use. It has no trigger.

But yea, da ministerium is forming.

Wake up winston.
I dont mean it as a put down. Its a plea. Change your outlook, that your grandkids may have the option to aswel.

(srsly. Equilibrium)

well it was the KGB that controlled the Stasi....surely they would not give them weapons that work? nO?

[scumdog]

GCSB?? - A thing sent on earth to annoy Akzle, Mashman et al

[puddytat]

And lets not forget these two
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

Both from the Land of the Free & the home of the brave where they practice their own type of democracy , freedom & rights.