Inside New Zealand

[Robert Taylor]

I dunno. He seemed pretty genuine when he was asking the questions. There are no easy answers eh. I'll take him a subject at a time please. If people responding to the needs of people is socialist, them I'm all for it if "this" is the alternative. Some may think the presenter is more important, tbh, I kinda felt for the woman and her 3 kids living in tents... coz they ain't got any money to go anywhere else. Then you move on to one of many reasons why everything should be free and why we need a simple shift in how we manage the economy . The evil begets the evil. The good begets the good. Your services, quality and dedication, will always be wanted and needed, most definitely required in NZ . There's a group in the UK called the Renegade Economist, they've done a wee movie and written a wee book. They call the wealth accumulation practice, Renting... and are proposing a Land Value Tax. I have the book if you'd like it.

Suffice to say ''remove the labels''. Im always up for reading things from a different viewpoint, even if instinctively Im a tory. Whats the exact title of the book?

[mashman]

Suffice to say ''remove the labels''. Im always up for reading things from a different viewpoint, even if instinctively Im a tory. Whats the exact title of the book?

I have issues with it . There is at least 1 group in NZ who also consider an LVT a viable option, but I haven't kept up.

[Brian d marge]

What is 20,000 as a percentage of the Japanese population?
Christchurch had 10-12,000 severely damaged houses.

The root cause of the housing shortage in Chch is seismic, not economic.

Using the phone so difficult to add things
Approx, as a percentage , 1.5 of the population were killed,
Slightly more or less if you take into account miyagi which was the worst hit

As for the root , boot of both , why cannot Burnham military camp be used or temp shelters put up

0.05 ℅ is what I get for chch, either way they should have temp accommodation

Stephen

[BMWST?]

Probably because his preconceptions and yours line up so well...capitalism's bad, mmkay?

one of the points made in the program (not by Bruce) was that we are not operating under a true capitalism otherwise a lot of the companies that "went bust" during the meltdown of 2008 would actually have gone bust not bailed out by governments(taxpayers) so that the C.E.Os still got their bonuses.

[Ocean1]

one of the points made in the program (not by Bruce) was that we are not operating under a true capitalism otherwise a lot of the companies that "went bust" during the meltdown of 2008 would actually have gone bust not bailed out by governments(taxpayers) so that the C.E.Os still got their bonuses.

That's true, both National or Labour have been guilty of both introducing constraints to free trade and protecting those that took opportunistic or imprudent risks.

It's usually just the left that decries the obvious ethical advantages of free trade, though, and routinely actively subvert it.

[Oscar]

Him too.
No blame, just pointing some things out that should be sorted by NOW (heh).

Of course the resources are there, but we need to wait for the money and planning to be sorted before they can start. Meanwhile houses need to be built and utilities need to be sorted... but wait, there's people who don't want to leave so they're being threatened with being ex-communicated etc... Stupid Games. The manpower is here. The resources are here, albeit we'd need to stop selling too much overseas etc... limiting factor in all of that in one word please sir? other than logistics that is.

An interesting issue, but not relevant to the documentary.

[Oscar]

Using the phone so difficult to add things
Approx, as a percentage , 1.5 of the population were killed,
Slightly more or less if you take into account miyagi which was the worst hit

As for the root , boot of both , why cannot Burnham military camp be used or temp shelters put up

0.05 ℅ is what I get for chch, either way they should have temp accommodation

Stephen

As I have stated, an interesting discussion, but in terms of the thread subject, a cheap shot by the documentary maker.

[BMWST?]

See Stephen's example above of 20,000 rehoused and getting on with things after the ocean shit a fit and leveled a wee chunk of Japan. And we still have people that need decent housing, not just "housing"? Somefink really ain't right... and I'm tempted to add that it's you

.you dont live in the land of reality.It will take years to fix things in CHCH.Any one who thinks any different dont have a grip of the reality of the situation.It takes 3 months to build one house for a typical builder.How may builders in NZ,How may houses do we ussually build in NZ in one year.Do the sums.

[mashman]

.you dont live in the land of reality.It will take years to fix things in CHCH.Any one who thinks any different dont have a grip of the reality of the situation.It takes 3 months to build one house for a typical builder.How may builders in NZ,How may houses do we ussually build in NZ in one year.Do the sums.

... nah, a better one beckons . ok, 10000 houses. More people working from home and the homeless or dodgy home owners can move into partioned offices. They will have all amenities, coz offices do. They used prefab housing in Kosovo, 1 a day (sometimes 2, depending on how far away you had to travel to get there and how long it took the lorry to navigate seriously narrow and part ice part mud goat tracks in order to deliver it), but they were installed with a heater that they could also cook on. Even novices like myself could help batter one together. I often wonder how some of those guys who had prefabs built are getting on these days... and whether they have a house again or not. Anyhoo, 10,000 houses, 50 building teams, 200 days.

[Brian d marge]

The god botherers can do a house from bare land to watching TV in one day

Possibly a cheap shot but that's the result

The people living in miyagi are re-housed in
Prefabs
Small uninsulated but have everything
Take a few hours , from start to turn key

Just checked

Stephen

[F5 Dave]

Only problem I see with socialisim is that the end result seems to be the need to machine gun an awful lot of common people for being enemies of the state.


come the glorious day

[Brian d marge]

That's true, both National or Labour have been guilty of both introducing constraints to free trade and protecting those that took opportunistic or imprudent risks.

It's usually just the left that decries the obvious ethical advantages of free trade, though, and routinely actively subvert it.

And why is that,,,,,, oh gifted one ?

Stephen

[mashman]

An interesting issue, but not relevant to the documentary.

Dude, you said

We simply do not have the resources to rebuild overnight.

The resources are there. The logistics aren't. The woman in the vid should be housed by now, she isn't. Why not? It is relevant.

[Brian d marge]

Dude, you said



The resources are there. The logistics aren't. The woman in the vid should be housed by now, she isn't. Why not? It is relevant.

dont go holding him to his word , they melt and get all sticky

hopefully he will ignore and go off on a different tangent

Stephen

[Oscar]

Dude, you said



The resources are there. The logistics aren't. The woman in the vid should be housed by now, she isn't. Why not? It is relevant.

The resources are not there.
There are simply not enough tradesmen in this country.
Did the documentary maker answer the question?
What were her circumstances?
Why was she not in emergency housing?
Like you, he was big on propaganda and short on facts.