Which in turn comes down to who's got the most money.Originally Posted by Ocean1
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Which in turn comes down to who's got the most money.
it's not a bad thing till you throw a KLR into the mix.
those cheap ass bitches can do anything with ductape.
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Often. NZ came very very close with a lot less money than Oracle spent, though.
So like most other things it's not all about the price, it's about value for money.
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Speaking of which......
Which of the grinders had that annoying little 'crying like a little bitch' noise?
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Very very close doesn't count. In 1851, after the very first race, Queen Victoria asked one of her attendants to tell her who was in second place.”Your Majesty, there is no second,” came the reply.
And so it has been ever since.
it's not a bad thing till you throw a KLR into the mix.
those cheap ass bitches can do anything with ductape.
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The data seems to show much of a muchness in speed? Apart from the speeds through the tacks/gybes in which Oracle seem to have the slightly faster speed - shows to me at least that they had their foils all sorted by this point and were just not losing as much speed through the turns.
From what I saw, I'd put the differences down to the development of the boats rather than the teams - by the second week it looked like they were both even in that regard and it was just the equipment making the difference
Well, this is awkward...
Yeah I noticed that too. Actually wondered at one stage if either boat could have eavesdropped on the other using the broadcast feed, and whether that'd be useful or not. But yeah that was worse than a tennis player, at least they put a bit of effort into their shrieking/grunting.
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Probably Ray :-) You could only hear it every so often and let's face it, he's not a strapping lad. Haha.
To be honest my guess would be the big unit that came off the boat with Rob. It wouldn't be Rob because he didn't make any noise rowing (first hand experience).
Tell ya what though, those guys would be fucken machines now. Those boats were harder to wind up and you had to do it faster and more often than any others. Then add in the up hill sprinting...
Like Rob said, he's never done anything so physically demanding. It'll certainly be a new definition of pain.
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Whoever it was.....
....someone should have given them a stick to bite on.
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i wonder why they didnt have a couple of recumbent cycle type "winches"
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[QUOTE=BMWST?;1130617787]i wonder why they didnt have a couple of recumbent cycle type "winches"
not enough room , to hard to get into fast??
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And seeing as how electrical trickery and motors are now allowed why not power it? If electricity is so critical to these things that they stop if the batteries malfunction as NZ did you might as well make them radio control and race them from the shore.
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Oh they definitely copied the Kiwis gybing routine, and the tactic of bearing away after a tack to pick up speed and get on the foil before pointing it up again. You could see them trying to get both aspects right as early as the third race, and I'm amazed they never picked up the advantages of either from watching the Loui Vuitton.
But I see here: http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/america...terations-made that Coutts says their advances came from
And again, it's difficult to believe they didn't have data showing the Kiwis relative speed, angles and foil attitude well before their noses were rubbed in the fact that they had their mode well wrong.shape changes to their wingsail and foils and loading more on to their rudders.
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Most people don't appreciate the fact that during the first ever race, the American boat went the wrong way around one of the marks. The British were good sportsmen and awarded them the cup...
It has been that way ever since. Either by outright stuff or by simply changing the rules. The New York Yacht club are the masters of this approach.
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I found this email recently received interesting, and seems to explain a lot ....
RE ORACLE'S REMARKABLE PERFORMANCE TURNAROUND EXPLAINED .............
It is well recognised that Oracle was having serious foiling stability difficulties at the outset of the regatta and that their performance could not match that of ETNZ. (Emirates Team New Zealand)
Half way through the series it was acknowledged that Oracle had fitted an automatic control to their hydrofoil trim, and that this modification was approved by the measurement authorities.Since this modification Oracle's performance has almost unbelievably improved. This has been “explained” by skipper Jimmy Spithill as being due to the superhuman efforts of the crew to improve their handling skills. However, in view of the intensive training Oracle were able to do, prior to the regatta, with their highly skilled team partner, it seems unlikely that only now have they discovered the “magic bullet” they they clearly have.
It is much more likely to be the result of the modifications, possibly enabled by their surprising decision to use their lay day card and the subsequent lucky postponements.
It must be remembered that this is the first time that this contest has been sailed by yachts “flying “ on hydrofoils and it is probable that new and different criteria should have been applied.
In the aeronautical world it has long been known that the stability of swept wing aircraft can rapidly be lost by uncontrolled yaw leading to a dangerous situation known as “Dutch Roll”.
A device known as “Little Herbie” was developed during the commissioning of the Boeing 747 Jumbo Jets over 40 years ago, to over come this tendency. Little Herbies, or “Stability Augmentation Systems” (SAS) as these are now designated, are equipped with sensors such as Accelerometers and Gyros which can detect and instigate corrections to stability with a speed and accuracy which exceeds the ability of even experienced airline pilots. They are therefore now installed in virtually all swept-wing aircraft.
The “legality” of this device has been justified and accepted on the basis that it does not actually “drive” the trim of the foils.....this is still performed by the muscle power of the crew, via hydraulic linkages. That may be so, but the device, using it's sensing and directives, has been described as “automatic”. This implies that the trim of the foils is determined by what can only be described as “superhuman” technology.
If this technology has ben used to overcome the foiling stability difficulties of Oracle it will have enabled the use of higher speed/lower drag foils which the crew would otherwise be unable to manage. This would give a significant speed advantage during foiling. This has been clearly in evidence since the modification. Improvement in stability and speed has been staggering.
The high speed/low drag foils do have a downside in light conditions where, due to their lesser lifting characteristic, foiling is difficult or impossible. This was also clearly seen in the abandoned Race #13 when ETNZ were only 4 minutes from the finish, with a lead of over 1000metres..
ETNZ appears to have worked within the constraints of accepted yacht racing rules and the special America's Cup 2013 racing Rules to achieve foiling with these craft. This has been at the cost of using foil characteristics and controls which can be successfully managed by a skilled crew while having to make some concession to pure speed.
Although there is risk of being derided for being a “poor loser”, or a “bad sport” it can not go un-noticed that Team Oracle have already been penalised for cheating, that previous Defenders have been noted for sailing very close to the wind of rule compliance. The recent outpouring of bluff and arrogance from Jimmy Spithill may well be part of a plan to trail red herrings and to draw the attention off the real technological reason for their quite literally astounding comeback.
The question is whether the use of a device which can enhance performance in excess of that achievable by human endeavour should be allowed in a sporting contest?
Is this grounds for protest? At least we should all be aware that this is how desperate sporting entertainment has become.
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at last..an expalantion.I just could not get my head around how much their boat changed.My question is why didnt we do the same?
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