MotoGP 2013

**Crasherfromwayback** · 4th October 2013, 10:56

Originally Posted by BMWST?

hang on ,he is finishing fourth?

Dude! He's been beat up by Crutchlow on a sat bike...he has Bautista all over him on another sat bike nearly every race now (the guy many call useless and dangerous), marketing aside..he's sadly a waste of space.

**Flettner** · 4th October 2013, 11:09

Isn't it sad, how the GP's have paned out. I try to get enthusiastic about modern GP, but I can't.
It's time to stop #$%&% ing with the rules and go back to 500cc two or, fourstroke if Honda want to, but GP's are just boring now. When the 125's were stopped so too did I give up watching! How many times do we see one of these modern fourstrokes split themselves and oil the track! GP, It's not what it used to be.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 4th October 2013, 11:19

Originally Posted by Flettner

Isn't it sad, how the GP's have paned out. I try to get enthusiastic about modern GP, but I can't.
It's time to stop #$%&% ing with the rules and go back to 500cc two or, fourstroke if Honda want to, but GP's are just boring now. When the 125's were stopped so too did I give up watching! How many times do we see one of these modern fourstrokes split themselves and oil the track! GP, It's not what it used to be.

I can't actually agree with that. Whilst I def preferred the 500's...this season has seen some pretty epic shit. But to me...traction control is the worst thing that's ever happened to moto gp.

**roogazza** · 4th October 2013, 11:31

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

It is sad to see, as he certainly is/was one of the very best ever. But he reminds me of a punch drunk boxer now that should hang up his gloves.

Yep bud it's hard to take, but he's been trying and struggling for months. 4th's good and the best of the rest, but I can't see anyone matching a healthy MM (if he stays that way?).
Stoner would realise MM is a step up as well ? This new boy is so talented and very brave.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 4th October 2013, 11:37

Originally Posted by roogazza

, but I can't see anyone matching a healthy MM (if he stays that way?).
Stoner would realise MM is a step up as well ? This new boy is so talented and very brave.

Dunno mate. On the day Stoner was able to blow by those guys like they were going backwards and fuck off...so pity we'll never know. Bravest thing I've seen in my time was Stoner's pass on Lorenzo at Laguna...and hey...he rode the day after totally mashing his ankle at Indy too...so not like he was a pussy either. Despite what the haters will say.

**bogan** · 4th October 2013, 11:46

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

It is sad to see, as he certainly is/was one of the very best ever. But he reminds me of a punch drunk boxer now that should hang up his gloves.

It does seem like he has lost a little something, probably got some psychological issues with the sepang race coming up too; had things gone differently we might have seen super sic vs MM duking it out for the title... Which out of all the could have beens, would be my pick.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 4th October 2013, 12:08

Originally Posted by bogan

It does seem like he has lost a little something, probably got some psychological issues with the sepang race coming up too; had things gone differently we might have seen super sic vs MM duking it out for the title... Which out of all the could have beens, would be my pick.

Can't help but think those two years getting a fucking hiding on the Ducati did him any favours ego/confidence wise.

**jasonu** · 4th October 2013, 12:16

Originally Posted by Brian d marge

yesterday at work there were some containers with swingarm parts and some other rear? chassis stuff being sent out

not sure whose bike is getting the new parts

Stephen

I hate you.

(truth be told I am really jealous)

**Brian d marge** · 4th October 2013, 13:27

Originally Posted by jasonu

I hate you.

(truth be told I am really jealous)

dont worry , its a grey box of a room and really nothing of interest , the coffee is crap.

Stephen

**Dave-** · 4th October 2013, 13:32

I think the problem is you're (old buggers) too focused on the glory of the rider, too focused on the skill of the individual. What you need to do is take a step back and recognise that the race isn't won by a single guy, it's the sum of the whole team. You're absolutely right that the rider needs less skill (sort of). The disparity is divided amongst a larger group. I'm sure if you asked Mick Doohan, Agostini etc to compare their skill to that of an entire modern motoGP team, they would themselves be found wanting. Maybe if a single person (man or women) built a GP bike, from the ground up, without electronic aids and raced, and won, on their own, then you could argue that there is no skill in electronics.

Take a minute and see how the machine reads the entire bike and in a few 400 millionth of a second makes a decision about what the bike is doing. You can see the control algorithm working when the bike reaches the apex of the corner (or some predetermined point) and the system allows the rear wheel to step outside the radius of the front wheel. Once you see it, it's the coolest thing about the racing. But not anyone can ride the bike still, the rider still has to understand what the bike is doing under them, what the electronics are tinkering away at. This is probably largely why MM is doing so well, he was bought up in a world of touchscreen phones, he understands that when he rotates his phone the screen rotates with it. For the team to take that machine, do all of that, in that amount of time, consistently and sustainably is an art, sure the rider gets all the glory by you guys, but the engineer who designed and built that is a god.

At Aragon Dani didn't fail. The engineer guy failed, he didn't think closely enough about what might happen. But fair enough, no body can account for every eventuality. I'm sure he's learned now and has already improved his design.

Also for the people who say Dani should have been able to carry on with no traction control and full power to "really see what he's made of"; The bike would not work. It'd be like trying to race on ice with a slick, with oil on it, and 600psi of pressure and the bike is on Pluto, and the controls are on Mercury, and your deaf, mute and blind, and unconscious, and you have a small penis. Closed loop systems don't like suddenly becoming open loop.

Just wait for more Marc Marquez'es'es to come through, then it'll be massive flamboyant drifts with no sense of self preservation again.

**Oscar** · 4th October 2013, 14:07

Originally Posted by Flettner

Isn't it sad, how the GP's have paned out. I try to get enthusiastic about modern GP, but I can't.
It's time to stop #$%&% ing with the rules and go back to 500cc two or, fourstroke if Honda want to, but GP's are just boring now. When the 125's were stopped so too did I give up watching! How many times do we see one of these modern fourstrokes split themselves and oil the track! GP, It's not what it used to be.

Which races have you been watching???