Pike River

[Maha]

So we should spend a shit load of money to take some bodies (bones by now) out of the ground so they can be put back in the ground?

What it cost, has nothing at all to do with it, the reason they (the bodies) are still in the mine, is because it is ''still unsafe to re enter the mine''. If I had a family member in the Pike River mine, I would want that person on the surface for a proper burial, not a burial created by an explosion due to negligence.

[Winston001]

What about the fact that NZ Oil and Gas (the major shareholder in Pike River Coal) voted against paying the NZ$3.4 million reparation to the victims' families?

A fair question. Here's a few facts.

NZ Oil and Gas only owned 28% of Pike River Coal. The rest was owned by mum and dad shareholders and a few investment funds. In fact I think ACC was one.

The owners of Pike (including NZOG) lost about $150 million. Gone. That is a helleva hit for anybody. And Judge Farish really believes these shareholders should come up with another $3.5 million to throw away?

NZOG advanced $25 million to Pike after the explosion so Pike could continue to pay wages and rescue services. NZOG knew that money was going into a black hole never to be seen again.

So substantially more than $3.5 million has been paid and the miners families have benefited from that. Additionally they are entitled to ACC payments. On top of that the NZ public donated a huge amount of money to support the families and the local community.

And they want more?

[Road kill]

And yet you were on here boasting about all the tobacco you were selling etc. How do you work out the ethics on that then?

Don't give a fuck,I smoke an so do the people I save shit loads of money by selling it to.

All I really do is take the proffit from the gov't.

Haven't you noticed that the tax goes up the more that people kick it.

Pity the last smoker aye,the two faced gov't will still be bleeding the poor cunt to keep their own profits up while wanking on about how much it costs you ya' dumb fuck..

[SMOKEU]

Fuck bro, calm down.

[Oscar]

We don't leave our dead behind just so it costs less to the ruling class that caused the problem in the first place..

If it was your son or another member of your family you might think differently.

But it's somebody else's,,,so fuck em',,,,right.

Hitcher,,,I've always thought you were a cunt,,,thanks for the confirmation.

Notwithstanding the fact that there is probably little or nothing to recover, why put people in danger to do the job?
I was going to ask you if you'd volunteer, but your post proves that you're stupid enough to say you would.

[Hitcher]

Fuck bro, calm down.

Spoil sport. I'm waiting for a cogent argument, rather than lots of vitriolic expletives and ad hominem abuse.

[Zedder]

A fair question. Here's a few facts.

NZ Oil and Gas only owned 28% of Pike River Coal. The rest was owned by mum and dad shareholders and a few investment funds. In fact I think ACC was one.

The owners of Pike (including NZOG) lost about $150 million. Gone. That is a helleva hit for anybody. And Judge Farish really believes these shareholders should come up with another $3.5 million to throw away?

NZOG advanced $25 million to Pike after the explosion so Pike could continue to pay wages and rescue services. NZOG knew that money was going into a black hole never to be seen again.

So substantially more than $3.5 million has been paid and the miners families have benefited from that. Additionally they are entitled to ACC payments. On top of that the NZ public donated a huge amount of money to support the families and the local community.

And they want more?

Some facts for you then; NZOG were the largest secured shareholder in the mine before the disaster. They have NZ$160 million in cash reserves to date and have increased profit by 30% this year.

And, the families didn't want more, the Judge ordered the reparations after taking everything into account.

[Oscar]

Serious question - what does an coal miner get paid?

[Zedder]

Don't give a fuck,I smoke an so do the people I save shit loads of money by selling it to.

All I really do is take the proffit from the gov't.

Haven't you noticed that the tax goes up the more that people kick it.

Pity the last smoker aye,the two faced gov't will still be bleeding the poor cunt to keep their own profits up while wanking on about how much it costs you ya' dumb fuck..

So, selling tobacco which you know does harm, but "fuck the bosses" of Pike River Coal etc. Hypocritical much?

[Hitcher]

Serious question - what does an coal miner get paid?

The answer is "quite well". Indeed, compared with other income streams on the West Coast, very well.

[SMOKEU]

The answer is "quite well". Indeed, compared with other income streams on the West Coast, very well.

You obviously haven't grown a good crop there yet.

[mashman]

Notwithstanding the fact that there is probably little or nothing to recover, why put people in danger to do the job?
I was going to ask you if you'd volunteer, but your post proves that you're stupid enough to say you would.

Spoil sport. I'm waiting for a cogent argument, rather than lots of vitriolic expletives and ad hominem abuse.

Because this is possible.. There are potentially bodies in a mine somewhere and some people would like them back if they are. Why not practice getting miners out of those situations, which will hopefully never happen, and at the same time, settle the wishes of the family's?

[Oscar]

Because this is possible.. There are potentially bodies in a mine somewhere and some people would like them back if they are. Why not practice getting miners out of those situations, which will hopefully never happen, and at the same time, settle the wishes of the family's?

33 live miners are worth the risk.

[awa355]

This post was started as a way of remembering our men at Pike River, ( and others ) who have lost their lives in a dangerous occupation.

Not as a tool for abusing the opinions of others.

I had an ancestor who survived the mustard gas in the trenches, only to sucumb to an English mining related death, in the 20's. hence, the video clip.

[JimO]

Don't give a fuck,I smoke an so do the people I save shit loads of money by selling it to.

All I really do is take the proffit from the gov't.

Haven't you noticed that the tax goes up the more that people kick it.

Pity the last smoker aye,the two faced gov't will still be bleeding the poor cunt to keep their own profits up while wanking on about how much it costs you ya' dumb fuck..

is it benefit day already, cut back on the woodstocks