Pike River

[Road kill]

Get the massive chip off your shoulder about the cops.

What about the fact that NZ Oil and Gas (the major shareholder in Pike River Coal) voted against paying the NZ$3.4 million reparation to the victims' families?

Nah can't do that.
Issuing traffic tickets and attacking peacefull protesters aside It takes a lot more than always being there with well practiced answers after the fact to impress me.
Sorry about that.

But then again,,,,I do often wonder if people like you ever read NZ's history and the place the pigs have played in keeping the common working man down.

Or honestly,,,,do you just not fucking care ?



And 3,5 MILLION,,,,Yeah those parasites do need to hang their heads.

[JimO]

But then again,,,,I do often wonder if people like you ever read NZ's history and the place the pigs have played in keeping the common working man down.

yea them pigs eh, oppressing the common working man

[Road kill]

Notwithstanding the fact that there is probably little or nothing to recover, why put people in danger to do the job?
I was going to ask you if you'd volunteer, but your post proves that you're stupid enough to say you would.

Good choice.

[Road kill]

Spoil sport. I'm waiting for a cogent argument, rather than lots of vitriolic expletives and ad hominem abuse.

Just put me on your ignore list.

I won't miss you either.

[mashman]

33 live miners are worth the risk.

Are you saying that training in such an area is unrequired?

[pete376403]

conspiracy theory of sorts. What if the recovery DID go ahead, and the remain of bodies were found in a location that would have or even might have been accessible if the mine had been entered straight after the initial explosion. The police (who apparently know everything about mine rescues) blocked access*, even though there were miners (who apparently know nothing about mining rescues) ready and willing to go in.


Would not be a good look for the police.

*on the basis that it might blow up again. It did, but it took five days for enough gas to build up.

[Maha]

Spoil sport. I'm waiting for a cogent argument, rather than lots of vitriolic expletives and ad hominem abuse.

Is this cogent enough for you ...''I would want my family member on the surface for a proper burial, not a burial created by an explosion due to negligence''.

If your Ukulele was dropped down a huge whole in the ground, to what lengths would you go to, to retrieve it? keep in mind it's a piece of wood with four strings attached.

[BoristheBiter]

conspiracy theory of sorts. What if the recovery DID go ahead, and the remain of bodies were found in a location that would have or even might have been accessible if the mine had been entered straight after the initial explosion. The police (who apparently know everything about mine rescues) blocked access*, even though there were miners (who apparently know nothing about mining rescues) ready and willing to go in.


Would not be a good look for the police.

*on the basis that it might blow up again. It did, but it took five days for enough gas to build up.

And what would've the public said if they went into the mine and it blew with them in there?

They knew it was going to blow again and where proved to be right.

The police will always be against double standards with thing's like this.

And it was never SAR, it was always body recovery.

[Blackbird]

But then again,,,,I do often wonder if people like you ever read NZ's history and the place the pigs have played in keeping the common working man down.
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Christ Almighty - I suppose what you really mean by this meaningless phrase over-used by Labour politicians is "the blue collar worker just looking to earn a decent wage whilst being continually screwed by the bosses". If you simply mean a decent, hard- working person who just wants to get by and enjoy life with no hassles, you'll find them in white collar professions as well as blue collar ones. Just as you'll find complete shits who make little or no contribution to society irrespective of their so-called social status. That's life, I'm afraid.

[jellywrestler]

Is this cogent enough for you ...''I would want my family member on the surface for a proper burial, not a burial created by an explosion due to negligence''.

If your Ukulele was dropped down a huge whole in the ground, to what lengths would you go to, to retrieve it? keep in mind it's a piece of wood with four strings attached.

shit that must be hard to play when you've only got three fingers.

[Flip]

conspiracy theory of sorts. What if the recovery DID go ahead, and the remain of bodies were found in a location that would have or even might have been accessible if the mine had been entered straight after the initial explosion. The police (who apparently know everything about mine rescues) blocked access*, even though there were miners (who apparently know nothing about mining rescues) ready and willing to go in.


Would not be a good look for the police.

*on the basis that it might blow up again. It did, but it took five days for enough gas to build up.

I concur. The opportunity to enter the mine and recover any meaningfull remains has been lost. Whats left is burried under half a mountain of rock, ash and half burnt coal.

[oldrider]

If safety was so bad at that mine ... why wasn't the local safety officer castigated for his incompetence?

[Paul in NZ]

Well actually I do read shit loads of history and from the reading I do I think that there is often blame in these cases on both sides AND its largely pointless basing todays actions on incidents that happened too long ago. Things actually do change... For instance - you have an old Triumph? Well while BSA was stuffed in 1973 there was a real chance Triumph could have staggered on as the order books were full and they had just launched the T140, negotiated 300 needed redundancies and were on track to make a profit. They would not have needed the whole sorry NVT deal until the shop stewards decided otherwise and suddenly they were stuffed. Please don't bang on about the co-op as it was only ever a hand to mouth stop gap thing without Hopwood and Hele's new designs....

As for never leaving our people behind? Yeah right... Sometimes theres not enough bits of 'your people' left in one place to pick up and carry out. Its a great battle cry to stiffen the spine and instill pride that very often does not work out quite so well in practise. Like all battle cries it is of course a tool to trick the working man into doing something risky for pride (ie the boss won't need to pay you) and I'm deeply suspicious of them. War cemetaries are full of people (or bits of them) that were left behind or blown in front...

I was actually involved in and still strongly believe in trade unions except like all organisations they tend to get taken over by 'organisers' who end up being exactly the sorts of pricks they are encouraging you to fight against. I ended up in no mans land all by myself once to often to take it seriously...

Yes - miners understood that there was a golden hour after the first explosion to risk a quick re entry and the Police didn't. There was the very real possibility that there was a large underground fire still burning and that it wouls have been a suicide mission. The Police cannot allow that to happen.

There has been a lot of discussion on this issue of late. Lots of interviews with those left behind. OF COURSE they would rather have those men out... Just like my nan would have loved her boy back from france... Yes - its simple to think some giant corporate should have paid the 'compo' but there is doubt that the money was there. Its never actually that simple...

Its a mine and there is nothing simple about a hole in the ground... Unless its an open cast mine of course but....

[Banditbandit]

The company dug the fucking mine when they were making money from it,,,then they killed their own people.

No - the company was not making money - yet . they expected to make millions - but once again the Brunner Seam beat them to it and it blew up - happened at the Brunner Mine, at Strongman - all the mines in that seam have blown up ...

We pay out loser company managers with golden hands shakes,we pay out and prop up loser companies with tax payers money,,,,but we can't return the loved ones of our workers when the bosses stuff up,,,yet again.

Fuck me you cunts are willing to sell out to anybody while you turn your backs on the very people that actually do the hard yards.

Fuck you,,,you make me ashamed to call myself a Kiwi.

While returning the bodies may be an ideal it is not always possible. As far as I am aweare there were at least two bodies never recoved from Strongman .. and the first rescuers into the Brunner Mine were later found unconscious and had to be carried out - they suffered gas poisoning .. the same could have happened at Pike - which also blew a second time .. and would have killed any rescuers in there.

There are also bodies of our servicemen who were never brought home- Europe is covered with their cemeteries .. there are bodies in the mines ... while the ideal is great and I support it., it is not always possible to bring back bodies ..

And after a mine fire how many bodies are there to find ???

But then again,,,,I do often wonder if people like you ever read NZ's history and the place the pigs have played in keeping the common working man down.

Or honestly,,,,do you just not fucking care ?

Far out - we agree on something ... Yes I know our history and the history of the police - from Massey Coassacks at Waihi, the the Wellington Waterfront dispute 1913 and the invasion of Maungapohato, to the 1951 Waterfront lockout ... the invasion of Orakei (Bastion Point to the Pākehā) . etc etc ..

The police are the armed internal enforcement agency of the state .. but fuck all in today's society would see or accept that.

You just need to look at this image ...

[Grubber]

Nah can't do that.
Issuing traffic tickets and attacking peacefull protesters aside It takes a lot more than always being there with well practiced answers after the fact to impress me.
Sorry about that.

But then again,,,,I do often wonder if people like you ever read NZ's history and the place the pigs have played in keeping the common working man down.

Or honestly,,,,do you just not fucking care ?



And 3,5 MILLION,,,,Yeah those parasites do need to hang their heads.

I've been an honest working man for the last 35 years and i never had an issue with the cops ever.
Not sure where your comin from to be fair.