Lawyer advocating 10% less jail sentence for Maori

**imdying** · 21st November 2013, 11:55

All good points, and becoming more and more relevant. Up till now it hasn't had much of an impact, but we can't keep filling all of the space on earth with (human) trash. Given that every race generates it, I don't see it as a racial issue. Yes Maori currently fill the prisons, and yes a breeding permit will curtail their population for a number of generations (on the assumption people who have been to prison are instantly removed from the breeding pool), but once the wheat is sorted from the chaff, they will undoubtedly bounce back, stronger than ever.

But that is some serious social engineering, and we'll have to royally fuck the place up before that can be considered by masses. Mind you, if they let that in, they can probably control the ethnic mix of people born here too. Hopefully we'll all be toffee coloured people by then and unlikely to give a shit

I dunno... I just can't see it playing out any other way when we're at 20, 30, 50 billion people... ok, one other way, but none of the previous world wars have done anything to cull the total population back long term, and an all out nuclear conflict wouldn't be moving humanity forward.

Take my advice, make sure you're a have, not a have not, and live out your life getting the most enjoyment you can. You can't do shit about it, so leave it as somebody elses problem... fingers crossed we'll all be dead before this sort of stuff can't be ignored

Peace out my niggers

**Zedder** · 21st November 2013, 11:57

Originally Posted by PrincessBandit

Thousands of years of "evolution" (of mankind, not a creationist argument here) compared to a relatively short blip in the scale of time that people have been in charge of modern-day vehicles. History obviously has had it's share of "horse accidents, chariot accidents, boat accidents' etc. which have lead to death but not on the same likely scale of carnage as motor vehicles.

People have been popping out sprogs without question (issue of survival of the race, and all that) for so many millenia that you'd think we'd have perfected some sort of a system by now. Just goes to show that for all our so-called advanced civilisation many are still physically/mentally/emotionally stuck in the stone age when it comes to what causes boy thingies and girly thingies to meet and make baby thingies.

I don't know specifically about genetic or racial disposition - there are monumental losers in all races when it comes to humanitarian issues.

Sure PB, there's never a guarantee with the vehicle license situation there's not going to be mistakes/accidents etc. But the fact you need a licence says it all.

Yep, "so-called advanced civilisation" is right.

**jasonu** · 21st November 2013, 13:15

Originally Posted by Swoop

Make the jails a place that you DON'T want to go back to (no under-floor heating, sky tv, etc, etc).

Like this one maybe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWteX6TmMrI
This is the way a prison SHOULD be run. Anyone with more than half a brain would think twice about doing anything that might result in being sent there.

**imdying** · 21st November 2013, 13:26

Mmmm, perhaps... but I do not see that as the answer.

If I thought I was going to end up in a place like that for whatever offence I was planning on carrying out, I would be more inclined to take something with me that I could use to end the life of anybody who accidentally stumbled across me doing my nefarious business.

If I as a regular non criminal can join those dots, then a hardened criminal will presumably have no second thoughts about whacking you with a piece of pipe across the skull in an effort to stay out of there. The death sentence appears to have no effect (except on reoffending rates hahahaah), I don't see why this would be any different.

As hippy PC as it sounds, jail should be a place for rehabilitation.

**onearmedbandit** · 21st November 2013, 14:12

Canada's take on things.

http://www.justiceeducation.ca/resea...due-sentencing

If you have been charged with a crime and are an Aboriginal person, there are special cultural considerations that the court must take into account in assessing your case. This applies to all Aboriginal peoples of Canada, including status and non-status Indian, Inuit, and Métis and whether living on or off reserve.

What this means is that, as an Aboriginal offender, a restorative justice process may be more appropriate for you. Such processes focus on healing those affected by the criminal act, including the offender, and so are more in line with traditional Aboriginal justice. Also, a restorative justice approach will often allow for a solution with no jail time, which helps reduce the drastic over-representation of Aboriginals in Canadian jails.

This does not, however, mean that all Aboriginal offenders automatically qualify for lighter sentences than non-Aboriginal offenders. The principles of sentencing apply to all offenders equally, and so in many situations such a remedy will not be appropriate to the circumstances of the case.

**mossy1200** · 21st November 2013, 14:40

Would be better to issue a club card. Commit 9 crimes and get the 10th one free.

**Zedder** · 21st November 2013, 14:55

Originally Posted by imdying

All good points, and becoming more and more relevant. Up till now it hasn't had much of an impact, but we can't keep filling all of the space on earth with (human) trash. Given that every race generates it, I don't see it as a racial issue. Yes Maori currently fill the prisons, and yes a breeding permit will curtail their population for a number of generations (on the assumption people who have been to prison are instantly removed from the breeding pool), but once the wheat is sorted from the chaff, they will undoubtedly bounce back, stronger than ever.

But that is some serious social engineering, and we'll have to royally fuck the place up before that can be considered by masses. Mind you, if they let that in, they can probably control the ethnic mix of people born here too. Hopefully we'll all be toffee coloured people by then and unlikely to give a shit

I dunno... I just can't see it playing out any other way when we're at 20, 30, 50 billion people... ok, one other way, but none of the previous world wars have done anything to cull the total population back long term, and an all out nuclear conflict wouldn't be moving humanity forward.

Take my advice, make sure you're a have, not a have not, and live out your life getting the most enjoyment you can. You can't do shit about it, so leave it as somebody elses problem... fingers crossed we'll all be dead before this sort of stuff can't be ignored

Peace out my niggers

I obviously missed your post earlier.

Yeah, I get what you're writing about. Just to clarify though, I'm not talking about population control, just some formalised training/education about being a parent.

As far as the have and have not issue, that's a purely subjective. Each person has their own level and I dropped off the treadmill a while ago for a bit of a break and can safely say I'm getting the most out of my lifestyle at present. However, I may well go back to a fulltime job when I've achieved my short term goals.

**EJK** · 21st November 2013, 15:11

I'm not racist. Racism is a crime and crime is for Maori people.

**Mo NZ** · 21st November 2013, 15:31

I will see your 10 0/0 off and raise it to cumulative sentencing ( that's 6 crimes = 6 penalties - one after the other ), dispensing of the concurrent sentencing F'n joke we have now..

**rustyrobot** · 21st November 2013, 15:33

Originally Posted by Mo NZ

I will see your 10 0/0 off and raise it to cumulative sentencing ( that's 6 crimes = 6 penalties - one after the other ), dispensing of the concurrent sentencing F'n joke we have now..

I totally agree - it's absolutely ludicrous. Like taking out 6 x $10000 loans at the same time and only having to pay back $10000.

**Akzle** · 21st November 2013, 15:43

Originally Posted by Mo NZ

I will see your 10 0/0 off and raise it to cumulative sentencing ( that's 6 crimes = 6 penalties - one after the other ), dispensing of the concurrent sentencing F'n joke we have now..

but... that's not so profitable....

**SMOKEU** · 21st November 2013, 16:58

Originally Posted by Akzle

but... that's not so profitable....

Jews at their best.

**mashman** · 21st November 2013, 17:20

Originally Posted by PrincessBandit

Thousands of years of "evolution" (of mankind, not a creationist argument here) compared to a relatively short blip in the scale of time that people have been in charge of modern-day vehicles. History obviously has had it's share of "horse accidents, chariot accidents, boat accidents' etc. which have lead to death but not on the same likely scale of carnage as motor vehicles.

People have been popping out sprogs without question (issue of survival of the race, and all that) for so many millenia that you'd think we'd have perfected some sort of a system by now. Just goes to show that for all our so-called advanced civilisation many are still physically/mentally/emotionally stuck in the stone age when it comes to what causes boy thingies and girly thingies to meet and make baby thingies.

I don't know specifically about genetic or racial disposition - there are monumental losers in all races when it comes to humanitarian issues.

Neuter men after they've sired 2 children.