Stupid World

[Ocean1]

More poor people in the making...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/9779...rn-off-driving

"Both rural and urban New Zealand are affected by the trend, (to not bother getting a licence) New Zealand Transport Agency statistics show. Of the cities, Wellington shows the biggest decline, with the number of licensed drivers aged 16 to 19 falling by as much as 75 per cent."

"Their parents or friends will drive them around so they don't need a licence. I said to them, what if you get a job? And they reply, it would need to be at the weekend so my parents could drive me."

[Akzle]

what kind of misguided dipshit thinks a drivers license equates to the ability to drive??

[Ocean1]

what kind of misguided dipshit thinks a drivers license equates to the ability to drive??

What makes you think the majority of survey samples can do either?

And what kind of pathetic loser thinks they can rely on mum to take them to their weekend Mcjob because sorting your own transport is too hard.

[Akzle]

te waewae express.

[mashman]

More poor people in the making...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/9779...rn-off-driving

"Both rural and urban New Zealand are affected by the trend, (to not bother getting a licence) New Zealand Transport Agency statistics show. Of the cities, Wellington shows the biggest decline, with the number of licensed drivers aged 16 to 19 falling by as much as 75 per cent."

"Their parents or friends will drive them around so they don't need a licence. I said to them, what if you get a job? And they reply, it would need to be at the weekend so my parents could drive me."

Who gives a flying fuck.

[bogan]

More poor people in the making...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/9779...rn-off-driving

"Both rural and urban New Zealand are affected by the trend, (to not bother getting a licence) New Zealand Transport Agency statistics show. Of the cities, Wellington shows the biggest decline, with the number of licensed drivers aged 16 to 19 falling by as much as 75 per cent."

"Their parents or friends will drive them around so they don't need a licence. I said to them, what if you get a job? And they reply, it would need to be at the weekend so my parents could drive me."

Definitely concerning. Growing up rurally it was always a priority to get a license asap, even back then we noticed some of the towny kids weren't bothering, and that has been quite inconvenient for them since. NZ public transport just isn't up to the task. And getting chauffeured by their parents, a huge wast of resources. Personally, I was against the raising of learner age for those reasons.
Sure in some cases, even many cases, owning a car is not an economical option, but if they don't get their license before heading off to uni or elsewhere, for many of them it isn't an option at all.

[Brian d marge]

Definitely concerning. Growing up rurally it was always a priority to get a license asap, even back then we noticed some of the towny kids weren't bothering, and that has been quite inconvenient for them since. NZ public transport just isn't up to the task. And getting chauffeured by their parents, a huge wast of resources. Personally, I was against the raising of learner age for those reasons.
Sure in some cases, even many cases, owning a car is not an economical option, but if they don't get their license before heading off to uni or elsewhere, for many of them it isn't an option at all.

Its happened here

people just dont need a car

I probably use mine once or twice a month , rest of the time its bicycle ( a lot less hassle for short trips)

A couple of issues , now car how does one get a leg over ? and how are the boys in blue fund donuts ?

Stephen

[bogan]

Its happened here

people just dont need a car

I probably use mine once or twice a month , rest of the time its bicycle ( a lot less hassle for short trips)

A couple of issues , now car how does one get a leg over ? and how are the boys in blue fund donuts ?

Stephen

Pop density and public transportation just isn't comparable to here though. In NZ, to not be able to drive, is to limit your available living areas and job opportunities, or it is to put more burden on others to transport you around.

[husaberg]

A complete nutter is what he was.

Doesn't change the fact he was a wise man
"Any customer can have a car painted any colour that he wants so long as it is black." or to paraphrase "Any colour so long as it's black" & lets face it never has there been a finer paraphrased quote

The $5-a-day Workday
After the success of the moving assembly line, Henry Ford had another transformative idea: in January 1914, he startled the world by announcing that Ford Motor Company would pay $5 a day to its workers. The pay increase would also be accompanied by a shorter workday (from nine to eight hours). While this rate didn't automatically apply to every worker, it more than doubled the average autoworker's wage.
While Henry's primary objective was to reduce worker attrition—labor turnover from monotonous assembly line work was high—newspapers from all over the world reported the story as an extraordinary gesture of goodwill.
Thousands of Workers Flock to Detroit
After Ford’s announcement, thousands of prospective workers showed up at the Ford Motor Company employment office. People surged toward Detroit from the American South and the nations of Europe. As expected, employee turnover diminished. And, by creating an eight-hour day, Ford could run three shifts instead of two, increasing productivity.
Henry Ford had reasoned that since it was now possible to build inexpensive cars in volume, more of them could be sold if employees could afford to buy them. The $5 day helped better the lot of all American workers and contributed to the emergence of the American middle class. In the process, Henry Ford had changed manufacturing forever.
Model t price in 1914 was $440
That’s 88 days wages……….
In 1923 it was $290 .do your own math

[mstriumph]

More poor people in the making...

"Both rural and urban New Zealand are affected by the trend, (to not bother getting a licence) New Zealand Transport Agency statistics show. Of the cities, Wellington shows the biggest decline, with the number of licensed drivers aged 16 to 19 falling by as much as 75 per cent."

"Their parents or friends will drive them around so they don't need a licence. I said to them, what if you get a job? And they reply, it would need to be at the weekend so my parents could drive me."

RANT ALERT!

I think it's more a demonstration of privilege than an indication of impending poverty (unless you mean poverty of the spirit and imagination)

Indulging young adults seems to be the new black - there seems to be a trend towards feather-bedding the young of the middle classes, they are permitted/encouraged to live at home until (sometimes) their late twenties, Mom does their washing, cooking, cleaning ... mebbe they pay token board, oft-times they don't....

... they are feted and deferred to like young princelings /princesslings; sheltered from 'the real world' and don't see the need to learn the skills to deal with it (cooking, negotiation, cleaning, budgeting, driving, etc). For some of them the dream goes on, they form relationships and move the loved one in to suck off the parental teat.... eventually mom and pop 'pop off' leaving the castle to the heirs.

Sad thing is, these kids think they've got a good deal
except they've got to give up their independence, self-reliance, spirit of enquiry and better nature to get it... these makes them no different to the other 'spongers' and 'bludgers' and 'lazy layabouts' that some of you complain of.

I blame NOT the recipients, but those that facilitate and perpetuate it
the parents and the government

To foster dependence in ANYONE is outrageous theft and abuse

I don't CARE why or when it's done
... by a parent afraid that to speak up will lead to an empty nest (with the scarey prospect of personal growth that THAT entails), afraid of moving on and trying to buy love
... or politicians too lazy to police the system to prevent it being taken advantage of and trying to buy votes

It's life-limiting, expensive (on many levels) and JUST PLAIN WRONG

ok - Discuss please.

[Akzle]

[B]
ok - Discuss please.

ive never looked to politicians or police to make my life or my kids better.

[mstriumph]

: good for you

now tell me you ensure your kids do 'chores' as they are able and routinely clean up their own rooms and we'll REALLY be on the same page

[SPman]

More poor people in the making...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/9779...rn-off-driving

"Both rural and urban New Zealand are affected by the trend, (to not bother getting a licence) New Zealand Transport Agency statistics show. Of the cities, Wellington shows the biggest decline, with the number of licensed drivers aged 16 to 19 falling by as much as 75 per cent."

"Their parents or friends will drive them around so they don't need a licence. I said to them, what if you get a job? And they reply, it would need to be at the weekend so my parents could drive me."

Interesting.
My younger son has never had a licence, nor, the desire to drive a vehicle. He learnt how to ride a pushbike in his mid 20's, and gets around on that and his mountain bike. Otherwise, he is quite happy to use public transport to go wherever he wants to go. Mind you he lives in Swamp City.......
Older son got a learners...drove on that for some years, then a restricted, when he found he'd better do so, and didn't get a full license for about 10 yrs after he actually decided to get a licence at all, car and bike!.....

Whereas I'd drive anything from age 12 and got my full car licence a week after I turned 15!

Different generational outlook??

[Ocean1]

Different generational outlook??

It's not safe to generalise, apparently, but like everyone else I do it all the time. Moderately successfully. (Dunno why that should surprise anyone come to think of it, we're designed to do it well...)

...Nevermind, I found this a couple of months ago: http://waitbutwhy.com/2013/09/why-ge...e-unhappy.html ,and remember thinking it fit a couple of examples of the species I was working with at the time perfectly. Even down to the aggressive denial that there was any intergenerational difference, particularly wrt work ethics.

And while on one hand I'm aware that dissing the younger generation is an old, old pastime, I've since noted that the above shoe fits a disturbingly high number of them.

Don't bod well for any of you old bastards planning to depend on a pension. Or retire at all for that matter.

[mashman]

ok - Discuss please.

Might I add allowing the "kid" to save money for stuff so that they can enjoy a life.

On another note... I never got my drivers license til I was 30 and I had lived in a place where public transport was 2 buses a day to the city (100+ miles away) as well as living in the city. I cycled or hitched. I DID NOT WANT OR NEED A CAR. I love it when our own reasons are put forward as the reasons those with less experience should do something.