NZSBK Round 2 - dispute

[oyster]

my point is people are reading the rule and thinking oh it doesn't mean cameras, and running them and nouts being done about it. then they're reading another rule and.....
here we are today.

I think people are overcomplicating this rule business. When I was coord for Streetstock
I used to regularly drum it in to all of them, collectively. "read your rule book. Generally, if you can remove it, it will be stated. If you can add it, it will be stated. If you're not sure, ask me. If I'm not sure, I'll go to the commission and get an answer as soon as possible."
It worked, all you were left with then were a few obstinate ones, 99% of the time senior, experienced racers prepping bikes for a young one. The firm hand of the steward is the only answer for them. And really, I had an interest to spell this out, as when bikes changed hands, I'd invariably get the phonecall from the prospective buyer (usually very new to the sport) "what's this bike like". Awkward, but only one answer, that's to tell them it's illegal (if I knew), as it would be a disaster for a newcomer to be getting the sideways look when they are quite innnocent (in intent) Doesn't make you popular with the seller though!!!!
Now where was this "keeping the rules applied is difficult" problem.

[Shaun Harris]

F1 F2 F3 Sidecars for the main championship and any thing any other club wants to run in there series to cater for there members. As Billy said earlier, fuel and bore size restrictions only, and lets go and party.

There would end up being some very cool bikes on the grid with these classes, yes dependent on the budget but at least johnny with a machinist mate could have a bloody good go and really enjoy there racing by being more involved than current scenario.

would still love to see a proffessionally built GSXR750 Bored to the max to see how one would go against the thou bikes, I reckon it would be there or there abouts, at least you would see it passing the thous in some funny places as the corner speed would be so much higher just like a 600.

The one I built years ago could hold the slip stream of Ray clee on his thou on the front straight at CH CH, but was total crap on throttle openings as the engine builder decided to put different cams in it than I had given him. I won that case in small claims court after he took me to court for not paying his bill, WANKER he lost a shit load of charge out income as the court ruled in my favour as I knew they would. As the ENGINE builder did not do what he was contracted to do!

[budda]

despite whatever has happened now the introduction of the 250 proddie class again was a great move by mnz and all those who made it happen. bringing luke burgess in also gave our competitors something to base themselves on as a benchmark and proved that this wasn't just a class to sweep up the leftover riders, i would have loved to see a supersport or superbike rider in the mix it all helps to give the sport credibility. ok so now one bike MAY have been naughty, don't fucking throw the baby out with the bath water, clean the fucking water and lets watch this class for what it is, closer possible racing. The dev class is great but it also reigns in the bikes that don't match, like F3.
look at the presentation of the 250 machines, it is well worthy of national class status and champions there will rise further up in the future.

AMEN to that ........

[Shaun Harris]

I think people are overcomplicating this rule business. When I was coord for Streetstock
I used to regularly drum it in to all of them, collectively. "read your rule book. Generally, if you can remove it, it will be stated. If you can add it, it will be stated. If you're not sure, ask me. If I'm not sure, I'll go to the commission and get an answer as soon as possible."
It worked, all you were left with then were a few obstinate ones, 99% of the time senior, experienced racers prepping bikes for a young one. The firm hand of the steward is the only answer for them. And really, I had an interest to spell this out, as when bikes changed hands, I'd invariably get the phonecall from the prospective buyer (usually very new to the sport) "what's this bike like". Awkward, but only one answer, that's to tell them it's illegal (if I knew), as it would be a disaster for a newcomer to be getting the sideways look when they are quite innnocent (in intent) Doesn't make you popular with the seller though!!!!
Now where was this "keeping the rules applied is difficult" problem.

Not to degrade your exellent work with that class Pete, But it was realy focused on the Ch Ch club scene, so was a lot more easier to manage police. Now the 250 class is NZ Championship status, it will unfortunately draw out the not so legal units and owners and builders of them.

The club scene should all be about development classes and fun, and the National scene should be about the leading classes and fun if you can find it

[Yow Ling]

Interpreting the rules is tricky, re the Camera thing, of course they are recording devices, but so are lap timers, egt gauges that record max temp and max rpm, odometers, engine hour meters , and quite possibly tyre wear indicators.
its easy to take the thread off in a tangent.

[budda]

Interpreting the rules is tricky, its easy to take the thread off in a tangent.

Like you said ..........

[jellywrestler]

Interpreting the rules is tricky, re the Camera thing, of course they are recording devices, but so are lap timers, egt gauges that record max temp and max rpm, odometers, engine hour meters , and quite possibly tyre wear indicators.
its easy to take the thread off in a tangent.

i'm trying to point out that some people are interpreting the rules how they want and the public placement of this footage means they honestly think it's OK, are the way the rules written simply not watertight enough?
while the intent of the 250 rules is no machining it doesn't actually state this and therefore the battle is off the track rather than on it.?????

[budda]

i'm trying to point out that some people are interpreting the rules how they want and the public placement of this footage means they honestly think it's OK, are the way the rules written simply not watertight enough?
while the intent of the 250 rules is no machining it doesn't actually state this and therefore the battle is off the track rather than on it.?????

Come on Spyda - doesn't say do wees before you go out either, or we recommend you abstain from falling off, as experience has shown that to be counter-productive

When the rule says, unless its listed here as something you can faff with, it must be standard, how hard IS that to understand. REALLY ??????

[Grumph]

I think people are overcomplicating this rule business. When I was coord for Streetstock
I used to regularly drum it in to all of them, collectively. "read your rule book. Generally, if you can remove it, it will be stated. If you can add it, it will be stated. If you're not sure, ask me. If I'm not sure, I'll go to the commission and get an answer as soon as possible."
It worked, all you were left with then were a few obstinate ones, 99% of the time senior, experienced racers prepping bikes for a young one. The firm hand of the steward is the only answer for them. And really, I had an interest to spell this out, as when bikes changed hands, I'd invariably get the phonecall from the prospective buyer (usually very new to the sport) "what's this bike like". Awkward, but only one answer, that's to tell them it's illegal (if I knew), as it would be a disaster for a newcomer to be getting the sideways look when they are quite innnocent (in intent) Doesn't make you popular with the seller though!!!!
Now where was this "keeping the rules applied is difficult" problem.

thank christ i never did any 150's....I watched what you did with this class Pete - as far as i saw it anyway. I was of the opinion then and now that it was all smoke and mirrors and if anyone had seriously challenged a rule interpretation, you could well have had it all come apart. i reckon it was simply strength of personality holding it together - and training the group to look to you for guidance.
Yes, it worked at a local level but I'm pretty sure at national level it would take a superman - and not just the leathers either (sorry)

[scrivy]

Geezuz.......... and here am I thinking the Americas Cup rules were hard to follow...........

[Grumph]

Come on Spyda - doesn't say do wees before you go out either, or we recommend you abstain from falling off, as experience has shown that to be counter-productive

When the rule says, unless its listed here as something you can faff with, it must be standard, how hard IS that to understand. REALLY ??????

If the new readings from the bible at riders briefing don't include "do wees before racing" or "don't fall off", maybe they should...

Oh, and when you've got a week to spare Peter, define "standard" for us please.

[Billy]

Come on Spyda - doesn't say do wees before you go out either, or we recommend you abstain from falling off, as experience has shown that to be counter-productive

When the rule says, unless its listed here as something you can faff with, it must be standard, how hard IS that to understand. REALLY ??????

This could go on forever with some folks trying to defend others or interpret rules,

The manual states OEM NOT within spec,If the intent was to allow machining then there would be NO restriction on gasket thickness,In fact the rule would say,If metal is removed from gasket surfaces,Then a thicker gasket must be fitted,END OF,Anything else is just a smokescreen.

GOSH!!!! I really wish I could stick around and deal with more of this.

[budda]

If the new readings from the bible at riders briefing don't include "do wees before racing" or "don't fall off", maybe they should...

Oh, and when you've got a week to spare Peter, define "standard" for us please.

"Standard" .... a small diameter thin stick-like post used to hold fencing wire off the ground

[Shaun Harris]

New Series, new rules, new police people. The rot in this old society goes way to deep to ever dig up properly.

[Shaun Harris]

i'm trying to point out that some people are interpreting
while the intent of the 250 rules is no machining it doesn't actually state this and therefore the battle is off the track rather than on it.?????

In the Heading of the rule page

"NOTE:
All items not mentioned in the following articles must remain as originally produced
by the manufacturer, remain fitted and operational for that homologated model."




Clear as mud to me, but I am an old has been I guess