Election date: 20 September

[Laava]

"the
apathy doesn't come from us,
the people … the apathy comes from politicians.
They're only interested in
serving corporations."

This is true, but if you moan about and then do nothing about changing the status quo, does that not make you apathetic as well?

[Ocean1]

just ask mashy

He's all about denying yer average kiwi any income whatsoever and then giving it all back to...

Let's just not bother, eh?

[Akzle]

This is true, but if you moan about and then do nothing about changing the status quo, does that not make you apathetic as well?

looks like im telepathetic too. I totally saw that coming!

How would you advise i change the status quo?

[Ocean1]

OR
>44% of people dont give a fuck and leave voting to old gits who think it matters.

Which is fine, it demonstrates that they've got no problems with any likely outcome.

That, or they're complete fuckwits.

[Laava]

looks like im telepathetic too. I totally saw that coming!

How would you advise i change the status quo?

Not my problem as I am not you and have no idea what you would expect. I would have thought with all your bagging of the incumbent system that you would have given it a LOT of thought. So lets hear it? You might be surprised at the level of support you get if you have a workable system?

[Akzle]

Which is fine, it demonstrates that they've got no problems with any likely outcome.

That, or they're complete fuckwits.

im picking that once most of you are dead or in a home crapping yourselves,
the likely outcome will be a collapse of the structure.
Hoping, at least.
A'ter all, its not representative if theres lessn' 50% turnout, innit.
Maybe i should enrol, to add one more non-consenting non-voter to be counted.
One of my problems with your thinking is that you think to apply political/ economic 'solutions' to political/ economic problems.
There is no profit in the cure.

Also, i disagree with much of the shit you value/ promote.

Not my problem as I am not you and have no idea what you would expect. I would have thought with all your bagging of the incumbent system that you would have given it a LOT of thought. So lets hear it? You might be surprised at the level of support you get if you have a workable system?

ive got a workable system. Homebrew, cannabis, caravan, hookers. Ignore the government. Kill fish, shoot shit. Job done.

I do not see it as my responsibility to change shit. Change must come from the collective, and tbh, i dont give a fuck about everyone else.
Personal like i reckn every bastard should deregister they bike and ride without plates and ignore cops, as a start.
But then you get boo-hoo-grubby cunts who will cluck their tongue at you for 'not pulling your weight and making it more expensive for 'everyone else' (them dumb enough to pay)'

[Laava]

ive got a workable system. Homebrew, cannabis, caravan, hookers. Ignore the government. Kill fish, shoot shit. Job done.

i dont give a fuck about everyone else.)'

So you've got nothing? Have you even given it any serious thought? You crap on endlessly about what a rort the whole system is and yet you are fully bludging of the very system you despise.
For some reason you think this country would be sweet as with no government at all. To be realistic, we both know that is not going to happen. You are living in a fantasy world if you think otherwise. But you summed it up when you say you dont give a fuck about anyone else.

[mashman]

just ask mashy

heh... I'm not up to performing miracles yet.

[Akzle]

So you've got nothing? Have you even given it any serious thought? You crap on endlessly about what a rort the whole system is and yet you are fully bludging of the very system you despise.
For some reason you think this country would be sweet as with no government at all. To be realistic, we both know that is not going to happen. You are living in a fantasy world if you think otherwise. But you summed it up when you say you dont give a fuck about anyone else.

au contraire, i have everything.
And not necesarily no governance, no central, certainement, defo LESS, and defo with THE FREEDOM TO NOT PARTICIPATE and not then have the decisions enforced against me.

what do you do for your community, laava?
More, what do you do (for others particularly) without expecting to get cash?

A large part of my problem is people liek you, worrying about what you can GET, reflected in this instance by your moaning about what i get. When the question you old fucks should be asking is 'what can i GIVE' (for free)
when that attitude dies, we'll be on the up.

And, for reference, not being gainfully employed, im keeping inflation down. Fucking bargain if you ask me. Thank me later.
(Your great system does not facilitate 100% employment. Fyi)
But hey, benny bash, cos theyre the ones taking your money. >

[Akzle]

Have you even given it any serious thought?

they say a man is free when his time is his own.
I dont know what im supposed to have thought about, as above, i dont believe the answers lie in political or economic adjustments. The system is fucked, all of it.
The change must come from the people (stop me if youve heard it before...)
if people dont really want the change, it wont happen.
If youre happy living your life as you do (i consider it voluntary enslavement), who am i to say you should live in a caravan without power and water, for the good of the planet and for the demise of jews?
All people dont want what i want. When enough do to outweigh the opposition/status quo, change will happen.

Stupid ignorant people, stupid ignorant leaders.

[Ocean1]

im picking that once most of you are dead or in a home crapping yourselves,
the likely outcome will be a collapse of the structure.
Hoping, at least.
A'ter all, its not representative if theres lessn' 50% turnout, innit.

You can get what any collapse here would provide right now. Fuck off to live in any one of hundreds of third world countries.

And of course "it" is representative, of all of those who voted. Those who don't bother literally don't count.

One of my problems with your thinking is that you think to apply political/ economic 'solutions' to political/ economic problems.
There is no profit in the cure.

My thinking is that most of the problems attempted to be "cured" by political/economic means are in fact personal/individual ones, and that it's only the individuals involved that think someone other than themselves should or can fix it. And I really and truly give no fucks whatsoever whether you have any problems with that thinking or not, it remains fact.

There isn't any profit in any of the various functions of government, that's not it's primary function, and it's the productive individuals of society that supply the capital that carries that loss.

Also, i disagree with much of the shit you value/ promote.

You have little idea about what I value, you simply apply what you hear to a stereotype you don't like.

ive got a workable system. Homebrew, cannabis, caravan, hookers. Ignore the government. Kill fish, shoot shit. Job done.

Good to know you won't be sponging off your fellow citizens should you need to pay the hookers.

I do not see it as my responsibility to change shit. Change must come from the collective, and tbh, i dont give a fuck about everyone else.

That's the most internally contradictory assembly of wordz I've encountered since mushmate last blighted the site with his odious presence.

[Akzle]

And of course "it" is representative, of all of those who voted. Those who don't bother literally don't count.

what box is there to tick to vote to send them to the sun?
Voting (consenting to be governed) is too limited in scope, as i reckon none of the people eligible is fit to do any more than be gassed to death in a giant oven. Picking the lesser of two evils? Thats fuken dumb.

You have little idea about what I value, you simply apply what you hear to a stereotype you don't like.

:

It's the productive individuals of society that supply the capital that carries that loss.

that kind of shit. I disagree with it.
Ive no doubt youve some superling ideas on shit, but all this voting and economy shit? It doesnt exist.
And who said i stereotyped, or disliked you? Not once, afaik, have i called you a jew.

That's the most internally contradictory assembly of wordz I've encountered

i dont see the contradiction. I present my viewpoint, youre welcome to take it or leave it.
Im not on a crusade to 'make peoples life better' (by my definition of better, innit.)
people interested in my path will find it, and we'll get a bit better for the experience (our respective definitions of better, innit), people uninterested will continue as you, voting and thinking teh govt will make the changes, for the better (the jews definition, innit)

[Akzle]

You can get what any collapse here would provide right now. Fuck off to live in any one of hundreds of third world countries.

hows fiji going, btw? With that undemocratic governance, (or any non-jew middle eastern nation) they had a good recession, too, innit.
O. Wait on.

[swbarnett]

Which is fine, it demonstrates that they've got no problems with any likely outcome.

That, or they're complete fuckwits.

A lot will be. There are also a number on the other side of the fence - those that have no faith in any of the arrogant fuckwits that claim to be fit for office.

[swbarnett]

its not representative if theres lessn' 50% turnout, innit.

Maybe, maybe not.

If more than 50% of the population don't really care who gets and don't vote then the resultant outcome is indeed a true reflection of the opinion of the populace as a whole.

Anyone that doesn't really care about the outcome but votes anyway is only helping to turn the system into a lottery.