Govt 'covering up' school funding plan

[TheDemonLord]

Apply everything you know about the financial system to a virtual financial system where you don't have access to ant of the money in your personal account in Banco el NZo.

Without access to the funds - how is it determined who gets access to what?

Communism. Where? Tis your definition, not mine. I'm talking long term survival, not the comfort of the few at the expense of the masses because those few believe that they deserve something more than someone else.

Communism is what it will result in - everyone has access to the same level of bare necessity items with a few 'government approved' luxuries

You say Long term survival - I will make sure that I have superior firepower than the peasants that believe they deserve what I have (even though they are unable to do what I am able to). I bet the French revolution would have happened differently if the French army had access to fully automatic weaponary (and the peasants didn't)

No, that's the current attitude that you reward hounds have been pushing, we could ALL eat well, be educated well, be looked after well from cradle to grave without the financial system and the self-righteous entitlement complex fucktards... who really should accept that they have given up their right to live by defaulting on their status as a member of the human race due to their lack of tolerance for others. Yes I see the Irony there, but at least I have a valid reason for mine.

Cool - when the masses can do what I am able to do - then we can talk - until then, I have skills that are in short supply and others don't have them - therefore I get more because I am more important.

[bogan]

Apply everything you know about the financial system to a virtual financial system where you don't have access to ant of the money in your personal account in Banco el NZo.

Communism. Where? Tis your definition, not mine. I'm talking long term survival, not the comfort of the few at the expense of the masses because those few believe that they deserve something more than someone else.

So, is money laundering any use of money now then? Is the only way I can see GDP increases still being classed as money laundering by you...

I have, here is an example (figures as estimates).

NZ Debt 250billion
NZ net worth 1trillion

So Banco now gets 1trillion in it, banco sells a million dollar hammer to itself (though through different people), with the govt taking 15% GST, or 150k, which it uses to pay off the debt, with Banco getting back 850k out of the 1mil it just spent. So all you're doing is taking money from the people, and paying off foreign debt. Is that what the whole million dollar hammer scheme is about?

Communism is "Any political philosophy or ideology advocating holding the production of resources collectively" not my definition, that is wikipedias, and that is what you're advocating.

[mashman]

It's not my financial system. But it is the one to which we are all subject. Try opting out...

Divide and conquer eh... well instead of opting out let's see if we can get enough people to opt in to something different. After all, you capitalist types have got an entire globe to play with, you'll be able to go anywhere where you'll fit in.

[mashman]

Without access to the funds - how is it determined who gets access to what?

Communism is what it will result in - everyone has access to the same level of bare necessity items with a few 'government approved' luxuries

You say Long term survival - I will make sure that I have superior firepower than the peasants that believe they deserve what I have (even though they are unable to do what I am able to). I bet the French revolution would have happened differently if the French army had access to fully automatic weaponary (and the peasants didn't)

Cool - when the masses can do what I am able to do - then we can talk - until then, I have skills that are in short supply and others don't have them - therefore I get more because I am more important.

Just take what you want.

We did the govt thing, we'll still have car dealers etc...

Why are they going to come after what you have when they already have access to that for free? Seriously you guys are somewhat lacking in ye olde understanding department.

... good luck with that.

So, is money laundering any use of money now then? Is the only way I can see GDP increases still being classed as money laundering by you...

I have, here is an example (figures as estimates).

NZ Debt 250billion
NZ net worth 1trillion

So Banco now gets 1trillion in it, banco sells a million dollar hammer to itself (though through different people), with the govt taking 15% GST, or 150k, which it uses to pay off the debt, with Banco getting back 850k out of the 1mil it just spent. So all you're doing is taking money from the people, and paying off foreign debt. Is that what the whole million dollar hammer scheme is about?

Communism is "Any political philosophy or ideology advocating holding the production of resources collectively" not my definition, that is wikipedias, and that is what you're advocating.

That's one hammer. An R.B.E. doesn't deal in politics.

[bogan]

That's one hammer. An R.B.E. doesn't deal in politics.

So, you've pussied out on the whole laundering thing then?

Well yeh, another 1666 needed to pay off the debt, which takes the 250 billion straight from the people's pocket. Why do you bother with the big hammer story, why not just say you'll be using the populaces liquid assets to pay off the debt immediately?

An R.B.E is an ideology though, so it still fits.

[MSTRS:Me]

Divide and conquer eh... well instead of opting out let's see if we can get enough people to opt in to something different. After all, you capitalist types have got an entire globe to play with, you'll be able to go anywhere where you'll fit in.

Me? Go somewhere that doesn't have a system like/similar to here and now? I don't think so. I'm not the one who's out of step with the majority.
I hear North Korea is better under Kim the Younger....off you go. Then we'll see how long your belief in that ideology lasts.

[mashman]

So, you've pussied out on the whole laundering thing then?

Well yeh, another 1666 needed to pay off the debt, which takes the 250 billion straight from the people's pocket. Why do you bother with the big hammer story, why not just say you'll be using the populaces liquid assets to pay off the debt immediately?

An R.B.E is an ideology though, so it still fits.

Nope.

As I said it's just 1 hammer. Now add a chisel. Also, while you're at it tax things that aren't already taxed and add in a little money velocity. Do all of that in a virtual environment. No need to pay off the debt too quick as we don't want to send the world into a financial shock. That's why I.m not saying pay the debt off immediately. I feel that I've made that point quite clear on several occasions. Time for you to join the dots and see if you think you could do it under a NOW type economy.

Is it an ideology? Also, in a pure R.B.E. no resources are held collectively, they are used for a purpose, most likely used for a target group... but they are available to everyone. No fit, go fish.

[mashman]

Me? Go somewhere that doesn't have a system like/similar to here and now? I don't think so. I'm not the one who's out of step with the majority.
I hear North Korea is better under Kim the Younger....off you go. Then we'll see how long your belief in that ideology lasts.

Well if the majority of NZ decide to vote for an R.B.E. are you saying that you would become a bludger?
Comparing apples and oranges eh... I guess that's entirely up to you, but that's what you're doing.

[bogan]

Nope.

As I said it's just 1 hammer. Now add a chisel. Also, while you're at it tax things that aren't already taxed and add in a little money velocity. Do all of that in a virtual environment. No need to pay off the debt too quick as we don't want to send the world into a financial shock. That's why I.m not saying pay the debt off immediately. I feel that I've made that point quite clear on several occasions. Time for you to join the dots and see if you think you could do it under a NOW type economy.

Is it an ideology? Also, in a pure R.B.E. no resources are held collectively, they are used for a purpose, most likely used for a target group... but they are available to everyone. No fit, go fish.

Then why is an increase of GDP (produced goods value) money laundering?

All of which leads to the same conclusion though, tax (even if in a virtual economy) doesn't create wealth, it moves it. all you're doing is using the population's assets to pay off the debt. And asset sales has hardly been popular so far, is that why you hid it behind million dollar hammer sales theory?

I think the two points above are enough for you to be going on with at this stage.

[bogan]

Well if the majority of NZ decide to vote for an R.B.E. are you saying that you would become a bludger?

Guess that all depends if it happens before or after you've executed all the dissenters

[MSTRS:Me]

Well if the majority of NZ decide to vote for an R.B.E. are you saying that you would become a bludger?

Nah. I'm off to Oz. They don't pander to bludgers over there.
And they won't have a bar of your so-called equitable system either.
So I'll be safe.

[TheDemonLord]

Just take what you want.

We did the govt thing, we'll still have car dealers etc...

Why are they going to come after what you have when they already have access to that for free? Seriously you guys are somewhat lacking in ye olde understanding department.

Human Wants are infinite - Economics 101

We may have Car dealers - but will we have Ferrari Dealers? if so how do we decide who gets it? first come first served?

[mashman]

Then why is an increase of GDP (produced goods value) money laundering?

All of which leads to the same conclusion though, tax (even if in a virtual economy) doesn't create wealth, it moves it. all you're doing is using the population's assets to pay off the debt. And asset sales has hardly been popular so far, is that why you hid it behind million dollar hammer sales theory?

I think the two points above are enough for you to be going on with at this stage.

You've had your answer.

Then money velocity can't increase GDP.

I see thinking isn't your strong point.

Guess that all depends if it happens before or after you've executed all the dissenters

heh...everyone will get a second chance.

Nah. I'm off to Oz. They don't pander to bludgers over there.
And they won't have a bar of your so-called equitable system either.
So I'll be safe.

All the best.
I'm sure they'll be glad that you've spoken for all of them. IfNZ falls to my benevolent plan, Oz wont be far behind... similarly for many countries.
Watch out for snakes n shit, I hear they're nasty.

Human Wants are infinite - Economics 101

We may have Car dealers - but will we have Ferrari Dealers? if so how do we decide who gets it? first come first served?

You speak for everyone then. In which case you're wrong.

You get invited to own a ferrari... unless you're talking second hand, in which case that may well depend on how friendly you are with the dealer when he gets some stock in.

[mashman]

[mashman]

What are you all so afraid of? You lament the fall of NZ past yet refuse to do anything to help when it comes to lifting it. You bitch about how much you have to pay, ironic given that you're relying on the economy to do the job for you. The very same economy that has allowed NZ to fall. You speak of logic and reason, yet blame others and claim that you are entitled to X because the "free" market says that's the way things should be. You whine when equity is mentioned and yet you miss that equity means that those who need will get. You prefer the few to succeed who you claim deserve it and then you watch the tax take (important for education and hospitals n shit) decline and yet you laud tax breaks and the borrowing that the govt has undertaken to make up the shortfall. Then you laud efficiency and cheap labor because you believe that doing the hard yards is some form of right of passage. You're not an NZer, you're a parasite.