Cunliffe's constituent Liu?

[Robert Taylor]

What a load of tripe this thread rapidly descended to!



Well done lads.

I never ever fancied eating tripe when it was presented to me on a plate. What really annoys me about lefties is that they always go about with an air of ''having the moral high ground'' and talk down to those of us that are of a rightwards persuasion as being evil and backward looking. Look at Gough Whitlam in Aussie back in the early 70s. He had all of the rhetoric and presence but had a bunch of idiots working with him and he quickly ran the economy into the dust. I still fondly recall a left leaning schoolteacher ( more than a few of those ) emphatically and loudly telling me that Whitlam was going to be returned by a landslide when he called a snap election. To my delight my assertions that Malcolm Fraser was going to get the landslide proved to be correct.
My father lost his marbles once by voting Labour, just once. To his dying day I reminded him of that inconvenient truth and that it was a major point of difference between him and I.

[Robert Taylor]

It's not a crusade against the successful, they just happen to hold most of the financial wealth. It's that or you have to borrow. Would you rather put $10 in or would you rather borrow $10 +interest?

In essence I am for NZ, its businesses and its citizens. First and foremost. There is no perfect system but Id rather see a lot more loyalty to the country . I am no socialist but I disagree with the greed of many multinationals, I disagree with the uneccessary price hikes that have occured with property and I angrily disagree with the apartheid system that is increasingly being institutionalised in this country.
The money supply should not exist for speculation, it should exist for productive enterprise for the overall good of the country.

[mashman]

In essence I am for NZ, its businesses and its citizens. First and foremost. There is no perfect system but Id rather see a lot more loyalty to the country . I am no socialist but I disagree with the greed of many multinationals, I disagree with the uneccessary price hikes that have occured with property and I angrily disagree with the apartheid system that is increasingly being institutionalised in this country.
The money supply should not exist for speculation, it should exist for productive enterprise for the overall good of the country.

I'm from the UK. I'm for every required business and citizen on the planet. I agree, there is no perfect system, but there is at least 1 that I know of that would foster "loyalty" through voluntary participation. I am no socialist either, however I understand that no money would mean, no price hikes, no property speculation, no apartheid system and no limit to production of the goods and services that are necessary to run a modern day economy... and beyond.
The money supply cannot exist without speculation. The economy needs money, how else do you put money in consumers pockets in order to buy things that society has decided they really need. I've come to loath, in a fleeting way, the waste of society. Do we really need Barbie or the umpteen million toys that kids get these days? No, but they're there and there's an entire industry dedicated to making kids want stuff. It all ends up in the bin. The energy and resources from that little lot would be best used for another purpose.

Essentially, churning out shit because you can and because you have to to keep the economy going is a waste of everyone's time, effort and resources... and given the associated social bullshit that accompanies the needs of the economy, I'd rather we tried something grown up.

P.S. you didn't answer the question

[Ocean1]

I got fuckall, I'll just chuck in a general disclaimer and hope nobody notices.

Cheers mate. Get back when you can work up an actual coherent argument, eh?

[Robert Taylor]

I'm from the UK. I'm for every required business and citizen on the planet. I agree, there is no perfect system, but there is at least 1 that I know of that would foster "loyalty" through voluntary participation. I am no socialist either, however I understand that no money would mean, no price hikes, no property speculation, no apartheid system and no limit to production of the goods and services that are necessary to run a modern day economy... and beyond.
The money supply cannot exist without speculation. The economy needs money, how else do you put money in consumers pockets in order to buy things that society has decided they really need. I've come to loath, in a fleeting way, the waste of society. Do we really need Barbie or the umpteen million toys that kids get these days? No, but they're there and there's an entire industry dedicated to making kids want stuff. It all ends up in the bin. The energy and resources from that little lot would be best used for another purpose.

Essentially, churning out shit because you can and because you have to to keep the economy going is a waste of everyone's time, effort and resources... and given the associated social bullshit that accompanies the needs of the economy, I'd rather we tried something grown up.

P.S. you didn't answer the question

110% agree. I think anyone with a sense of fairness hates seeing evidence of all the overseas sweatshops that all of the multinational companies are complicit in. You are correct about all the bullshit

I relation to the question Im being dumb in terms of context as Im exhausted. Been answering business e-mails ALL afternoon.

I love the UK in spite of the fact its now well beyond fixable. We need more English immigrants and a lot less or none at all from troublesome / religiously divisive countries.

[Ocean1]

Suffer the smell of 1 shit for the smell of another eh... oooo what a choice.

Exactly. Crap on your benefactors and they'll often suddenly notice that the grass is a fucking sight greener somewhere else. Something every socialist leaning govt to date has desperately tried to ignore.

Coz it costs to run a country.

But it only those that can afford to pay for it eh? About time those paying for it got something for their trouble isn't it?

[Ocean1]

I always find it ironic that people who believe they are losing too much money, because of the needs of the country, leave the very country that made them rich when asked to stump up a little more in the way of taxation. I'd be blaming the wankers for leaving, not the govt that had to make a given financial decision.

That's 'cause you're an ungrateful cunt. You should be asking them how you can convince them to stay, and continue paying for your lunch.

[Robert Taylor]

I'm from the UK. I'm for every required business and citizen on the planet. I agree, there is no perfect system, but there is at least 1 that I know of that would foster "loyalty" through voluntary participation. I am no socialist either, however I understand that no money would mean, no price hikes, no property speculation, no apartheid system and no limit to production of the goods and services that are necessary to run a modern day economy... and beyond.
The money supply cannot exist without speculation. The economy needs money, how else do you put money in consumers pockets in order to buy things that society has decided they really need. I've come to loath, in a fleeting way, the waste of society. Do we really need Barbie or the umpteen million toys that kids get these days? No, but they're there and there's an entire industry dedicated to making kids want stuff. It all ends up in the bin. The energy and resources from that little lot would be best used for another purpose.

Essentially, churning out shit because you can and because you have to to keep the economy going is a waste of everyone's time, effort and resources... and given the associated social bullshit that accompanies the needs of the economy, I'd rather we tried something grown up.

P.S. you didn't answer the question

What is especially concerning is that the greatest proportion of the population dont even register their brains into thinking what is actually going on behind all of the facades

Its also rather scary that when you vote its about who you consider to be the best of a bad bunch. Colin Craig and his Conservative party are saying a few things that totally resonate with me personally but I have to consider that my voting is used wisely to help stall what I personally consider a nightmare outcome. I.e a disjointed and ultimately self destructing grouping of the left. There are some good people on the left e.g Damian Oconnor, David Shearer but also some certifiable lunatics

[Ocean1]

It's not a crusade against the successful, they just happen to hold most of the financial wealth.

The fuck it's not. Those "just happening" to hold more than average financial wealth have generally earned it. It's theirs, not available for general consumption by those that perhaps haven't worked as hard.

It's that or you have to borrow. Would you rather put $10 in or would you rather borrow $10 +interest?

Neither. Govt needs to live within their means, if times get tough you don't steal money from the wealthy and you don't borrow it. You spend less.

You can call it austerity if you like, it'd be entirely consistent with your usual vacuous comprehension.

[mashman]

110% agree. I think anyone with a sense of fairness hates seeing evidence of all the overseas sweatshops that all of the multinational companies are complicit in. You are correct about all the bullshit

I relation to the question Im being dumb in terms of context as Im exhausted. Been answering business e-mails ALL afternoon.

I love the UK in spite of the fact its now well beyond fixable. We need more English immigrants and a lot less or none at all from troublesome / religiously divisive countries.

That unfairness only exists for one reason... eh eh eh, he said knowingly.

You need an 'oliday... or a drink. It was in regards to taxation. Boiling down to, we either put in or our govt borrows on our behalf, plus interest.

lol... there's a reason we're here and not over there ... but I do miss the local and those who inhabited it... speshully when the football was on as we didn't have sky . Meh, 99% of religious countries contain businessmen much like yourself, main difference being that they smash their heads off of the concrete at time during the day... and wash their feet in the sink at work. Bloke must have had the cleanest feet in the world.

[mashman]

Exactly. Crap on your benefactors and they'll often suddenly notice that the grass is a fucking sight greener somewhere else. Something every socialist leaning govt to date has desperately tried to ignore.

But it only those that can afford to pay for it eh? About time those paying for it got something for their trouble isn't it?

Ahhh yes, yet another beautiful product of the financial economy, the financial leech. They can be ignored if there is nothing for them to leech on to.

That's the way it is, as you would say. Those who pay for it do get something for their trouble. You get what you're willing to pay for. Dunno about you, but I'd like to pay no tax at all................in a society that isn't fucking around the edges.

[mashman]

That's 'cause you're an ungrateful cunt. You should be asking them how you can convince them to stay, and continue paying for your lunch.

I am an ungrateful cunt. Why? Because they pay tax and should therefore be allowed to do as they please? Slippery slope innit?

[mashman]

What is especially concerning is that the greatest proportion of the population dont even register their brains into thinking what is actually going on behind all of the facades

Its also rather scary that when you vote its about who you consider to be the best of a bad bunch. Colin Craig and his Conservative party are saying a few things that totally resonate with me personally but I have to consider that my voting is used wisely to help stall what I personally consider a nightmare outcome. I.e a disjointed and ultimately self destructing grouping of the left. There are some good people on the left e.g Damian Oconnor, David Shearer but also some certifiable lunatics

Why bother? We pay others to look after many things so that we don't waste time. Tis what accountants are for. We're not educated to think so critically, nor do many people want to (), yet.

lol, tis why I don't vote. There is absolutely no sense in any of their policies as they maintain the status quo more or less. Enough for some, not so much for others. If labour were serious, they wouldn't have a leader ... I shall continue to not vote until the Money Free Party are on the ballot. From what I have seen so far, they are a party that ticks the vast majority of boxes that I require to have ticked before using my vote... and hannibal the cannibal (not Luis Suarez, ugh) could represent that party and I'd still vote for it. Will tick the box with a wry smile as I announce my right to have an opinion that should be listened to because I have voted

[mashman]

The fuck it's not. Those "just happening" to hold more than average financial wealth have generally earned it. It's theirs, not available for general consumption by those that perhaps haven't worked as hard.

Neither. Govt needs to live within their means, if times get tough you don't steal money from the wealthy and you don't borrow it. You spend less.

You can call it austerity if you like, it'd be entirely consistent with your usual vacuous comprehension.

I understand that. It also goes toward roading n stuff... and those things aren't cheap ya know.

Ahhhh yes, fairytopia.

It's tragic is what it is.

[Ocean1]

Ahhh yes, yet another beautiful product of the financial economy, the financial leech. They can be ignored if there is nothing for them to leech on to.

That's the way it is, as you would say. Those who pay for it do get something for their trouble. You get what you're willing to pay for. Dunno about you, but I'd like to pay no tax at all................in a society that isn't fucking around the edges.

Financial economies produce leeches now?

Shirley you can come up with something better than a bunch of faux clichés? Perhaps not.