RIP Robin Williams

[caseye]

Reading that shit makes me feel like coking on some cock! haha

Go do it, but make damn sure you do choke on it your pathetic attempt at humour at anothers expense sickens me.
This subject affects a shit load more people than you are obviously capable of understanding.
Please do have sex and travel.

[Ocean1]

That is the kind of attitude that keeps people stuck where they are in my opinion, if you think there is no hope, then sadly there is not much hope for you.
ALL limitations are self imposed.

Ah yes, the blind assertion that it's all their fault. Just what they need.

It's not an attitude, it's a simple fact.

And yes I'm aware of the perception that it's just a cop-out, that if they really tried they could change their mood for the better. But that's just what it is, a perception from outside, it holds no truth for the clinically depressed at all.

All you can do is teach them how to modify the positive feedback loops to become less damaging and then hope for breathing space, perhaps from some medication that might allow them the leverage to help themselves. From the bottom of the pit? No chance.

[unstuck]

Ah yes, the blind assertion that it's all their fault. Just what they need.

It's not an attitude, it's a simple fact.

And yes I'm aware of the perception that it's just a cop-out, that if they really tried they could change their mood for the better. But that's just what it is, a perception from outside, it holds no truth for the clinically depressed at all.

All you can do is teach them how to modify the positive feedback loops to become less damaging and then hope for breathing space, perhaps from some medication that might allow them the leverage to help themselves. From the bottom of the pit? No chance.

From someone who was diagnosed as clinically depressed in my early 20's, I sure seem to have it beat.
And I am sure the people in recent years I have helped to rid of medication and depression would be rather grateful for the help I have given them.

[Ocean1]

From someone who was diagnosed as clinically depressed in my early 20's, I sure seem to have it beat.
And I am sure the people in recent years I have helped to rid of medication and depression would be rather grateful for the help I have given them.

Snap. But I'm not afraid to say I had help, and that I wouldn't have made it without it.

And I'd still say that there's a very fine line between encouraging positive thinking and blaming them for their failure to make that work.

[unstuck]

Snap. But I'm not afraid to say I had help, and that I wouldn't have made it without it.

And I'd still say that there's a very fine line between encouraging positive thinking and blaming them for their failure to make that work.

Don't remember blaming anyone for not making anything work.
I had help too, just not from the mental health, all they seemed to want is to fill me with pills. Mine came through a failed suicide attempt, and was a real turning point for me, not just with depression, but my whole life.

[Bikemad]

Understand that for someone deeply affected by depression there is no link whatsoever between real world events and how they feel. Nothing they can do will help themselves, and the expectation that they can and should is possibly the most difficult thing they'll have to deal with.

Some find partial answers with CBT or similar therapy, but it takes discipline and energy that often simply isn't available from them in that state. Which is why it's such a bitch of a thing, it tends to deprive you of the tools to help yourself.

Unless you've been in the depths of real depression, that is a stupid assertation to make!When you're at the suicidal depths, reason and argument just don't get a look sideways and survival instincts can be all but crushed under the weight of despair and utter hopelessness and futility that engulfs you. It's not like the normal depression everyone gets in the usual ebb and flow of living.......

give up fellas.........he just don't get it

[R650R]

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertain...icle-1.1900978

[yokel]

Go do it, but make damn sure you do choke on it your pathetic attempt at humour at anothers expense sickens me.
This subject affects a shit load more people than you are obviously capable of understanding.
Please do have sex and travel.

what makes you think I give a shit what you think of my humour?

my old man is in same boat as Robin but with out a sense of humour, I worry about him everyday

[Ocean1]

give up fellas.........he just don't get it

Yeah he does. And he's right. For him. Routine maintenance for an ex-sufferer: relentless positive reinforcement. Fake it until you can make it.

But existing sufferers often don't have the resources, in fact it's often as much as they can do to refrain from relentless negative reinforcement.

[jonbuoy]

give up fellas.........he just don't get it

Your right - sorry I don't. Can't understand suicide and I doubt I ever will. It's as alien a concept to me as mine is to you. I feel sorry for someone in that situation but it doesn't help me understand it. Especially someone who has children. Hell even his own children said they couldn't understand why he wouldn't stay around for them.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/...ry?id=24955095

[caseye]

what makes you think I give a shit what you think of my humour?

my old man is in same boat as Robin but with out a sense of humour, I worry about him everyday

As you should.
Tell me, do you make a point of seeing him everyday?
Ah, hell I'm sorry I can;t give you shit knowing what you've told us now, but hell you are not alone and I know there are many , many more even just here in KB land who are worried about someone they know just like you are.
For what its worth , you, are not alone, it's convincing you're dad he's not too, then keeping him/them knowing that they matter to us/someone.
Keep at it aye.

[yokel]

As you should.
Tell me, do you make a point of seeing him everyday?
Ah, hell I'm sorry I can;t give you shit knowing what you've told us now, but hell you are not alone and I know there are many , many more even just here in KB land who are worried about someone they know just like you are.
For what its worth , you, are not alone, it's convincing you're dad he's not too, then keeping him/them knowing that they matter to us/someone.
Keep at it aye.

Hey man no sweat, Yeah I see him most days but the thing is I can hardly tolerate him, very hard to have an actual conversation with him.
I get pissed when people say it's "depression" as in a metal illness when to my mind it clearly is not.
It's environmental and usually has something to do with a female of some sort, ether directly or indirectly after all life is all about the chicks.
and like many other men his heart has been broken, but the silly prick broke it him self so what do ya do?

[Berries]

Take away his shoe laces?

[avgas]

Depression is a Bitch..... Lost a good friend to it last year

I almost lost one to it last year. Found him in the park unconscious after his wife called me in a desperate manor. Told him if he did it again I wouldn't ring the ambulance, I would tow him him home instead.
"But you don't have a trailer?"
"You will bounce fine for a corpse"

Bad joke - but it made the whole thing very real for him, and flicked whatever the right switch was for him to think about life again.

Depression is a horrible fucked up shit. I had it in my teens and I can tell you honestly, that when you hit that point that Robin did........your gonna find what Robin found.

Miss ya big man.

[Bikemad]

Especially someone who has children. Hell even his own children said they couldn't understand why he wouldn't stay around for them.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/...ry?id=24955095

look i don't understand it either and it would never be an option for me........but i think somehow people who do do it actually think they are doing the right thing by their children however misguided that may be................thats mental illness.