Hi tech speed camera in Wellington gorge earns $

**R650R** · 28th August 2014, 20:10

Soooo the cameras been there a long time and not enough serious crashes

maybe just maybe its stopping them from happening???
You wellywood locals are prob used to conditions and lane layout. I don't got here often but its one bit of road I pay attention and think it kinda could turn into a human size pinball machine easy...
And you've got all the tourists running late for the ferry wondering where the turnoff is, which lane etc...

Kinda found it odd they talk about using the camera to see wof stickers when the anpr should do that automatically...

http://www.itsinternational.com/cate...c-enforcement/

**BuzzardNZ** · 28th August 2014, 20:11

Originally Posted by MD

For the record it's never caught me in 25+ years of weekly commuting up and down that gorge. What gets me is in all those thousands of trips I've made, I've only come across the odd minor fender bender, usually caused by lane changers interacting with others slamming on brakes to avoid a minor camera fine.

And it will never get you going up the gorge unless you have a number plate on the front of your bike.

**Scuba_Steve** · 28th August 2014, 20:16

Originally Posted by merv

Yes and the bastards lowered the speed limit when they rebuilt it at the top removing the intersection and they said when the work would be finished the speed limit would be restored - how long ago was that? It never happened.

Hey it's 100 at the top, and the bottom; in-fact it's only lowered to 80 past the camera... hmm, I wonder why that would be

**Berg** · 28th August 2014, 20:22

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

Hey it's 100 at the top, and the bottom; in-fact it's only lowered to 80 past the camera... hmm, I wonder why that would be

Probably because that's the bit with the merge point for Newlands Jville traffic but let's not ruin a good anti police bitch session with fact or common sense.

**mossy1200** · 28th August 2014, 20:34

I think.

100k is not a good idea.

Half the traffic struggle to maintain 80 going up and change lanes to dodge trucks already and im thinking there would be nose to tails going down as people try changing lanes to split off to Lower Hutt and the Ferry lane or if traffic has slowed to a crawl at the bottom.

I haven't had a ticket in the Gorge so the camera isn't taxing me.

**Scuba_Steve** · 28th August 2014, 20:44

Originally Posted by Berg

Probably because that's the bit with the merge point for Newlands Jville traffic but let's not ruin a good anti police bitch session with fact or common sense.

So having everyone hard on brakes, steering at speedo, pushing their way into other lanes so they don't have to merge (these people are the pinnacle of retard), and leaving no gaps for people to merge because of all of this is "common sense"...
Are you one of these retards that think merging is easier at slower speeds??? Fact: NO, gaps become non existent & merging becomes much harder at slower speeds especially when speeds are changed just before the merge. Really why merging should be part of the licence & any significant slow down should be a fail

But hey never let facts & logic get in the way of NZs biggest illegal scam

**Ocean1** · 28th August 2014, 20:46

Originally Posted by mossy1200

im thinking there would be nose to tails going down as people try changing lanes to split off to Lower Hutt and the Ferry lane

The speed limit's back up to 100k well before the lane turning off to LH.

Which sorta makes the theory that the 80k limit going up is required 'cause of the dedicated lane turning off to J'ville.

MD · 28th August 2014, 20:54

Originally Posted by Berg

Probably because that's the bit with the merge point for Newlands Jville traffic but let's not ruin a good anti police bitch session with fact or common sense.

Sorry if this has come across as a Police whinge. I respect 99% of what our Police do every day. But they lose me on the 'speed is the root of all evil' excuse for punishing people going slightly over limit, and it's the slightly bit that annoys me with this particular camera.

If people crash when merging lanes then it's their general ability to drive and MERGE that is at fault and they should be punished for that. Please don't place the blame every time on the speed.
Hey look that stupid driver crashed when changing lanes at 91 kpm. Answer, lets make him reduce his speed so he can continue his bad driving and crash at 89 kpm in future. Problem solved and the Govt got $80 for our efforts.

Drivers should be capable of merging correctly at any speed, not just at that which is painted on a nearby sheet of tin on a wooden pole.

EDIT- Actually this is definitely not aimed at Police- the people, they show judgement and tolerance (sometimes). It's the impersonal speed camera division that is just a machine going click $$, click $$...

**merv** · 28th August 2014, 21:45

The speed limits are set by electronic signs and the one when going down at the bottom can sometimes be set to 100 which is before the Lower Hutt slip lane but many times it will be on 80 so you are supposed to do that right around onto the Ngauranga fly over bridge. At busy times the signs all the way down can drop to 60 and I presume the smart camera knows that too.

**R650R** · 29th August 2014, 08:16

Its quite interesting that this debate comes up when its election time. Police are instructed by the govt who make and amend the legislation on how they want things enforced.
I'm sure the police would happily throw away their ticket books and move to a system where they justs top and chat with motorists until the education is complete and the motorist comes to a moment of clarity and drives safer.
But we know the govt would never let them work like that.
So all of you who've been posting in the election thread about how great your chosen party is and how democracy actually matters, please vote for the party that will allow the police to enforce road safety in a way that works and benefits everyone.... So which party is that then...???

**mashman** · 29th August 2014, 08:19

Originally Posted by R650R

Its quite interesting that this debate comes up when its election time. Police are instructed by the govt who make and amend the legislation on how they want things enforced.
I'm sure the police would happily throw away their ticket books and move to a system where they justs top and chat with motorists until the education is complete and the motorist comes to a moment of clarity and drives safer.
But we know the govt would never let them work like that.
So all of you who've been posting in the election thread about how great your chosen party is and how democracy actually matters, please vote for the party that will allow the police to enforce road safety in a way that works and benefits everyone.... So which party is that then...???

My party

**Scuba_Steve** · 29th August 2014, 11:12

Originally Posted by mashman

My party

Where?, When?, there best be Vodka

**Tazz** · 29th August 2014, 12:38

Originally Posted by R650R

I'm sure the police would happily throw away their ticket books and move to a system where they justs top and chat with motorists until the education is complete and the motorist comes to a moment of clarity and drives safer.

HA! Not likely!

**Blackbird** · 29th August 2014, 12:40

Originally Posted by R650R

I'm sure the police would happily throw away their ticket books and move to a system where they justs top and chat with motorists until the education is complete and the motorist comes to a moment of clarity and drives safer.
But we know the govt would never let them work like that.
So all of you who've been posting in the election thread about how great your chosen party is and how democracy actually matters, please vote for the party that will allow the police yto enforce road safety in a way that works and benefits everyone.... So which party is that then...???

Almost certainly right on the money

. Carey is a keen rider himself and a really nice guy. Enough said.