Oh buggggggggggggggggggar

[Scuba_Steve]

Because we now have about twice as many wof inspectors as we require & they are landing in the dole queue as I predicted they would.

So what youre saying is this business doesnt actually offer any wanted service but insteed relies on handouts by form of forced inspections, so a leech

[mossy1200]

So what youre saying is this business doesnt actually offer any wanted service but insteed relies on handouts by form of forced inspections, so a leech

The worst thing is when you introduce 12 month warrant of fitness it is business as normal for the first 6 months then almost nothing for the next 6 as only newly introduced and old vehicles to the system will be in need during that 2nd half.

[buggerit]

And your alternative in a global financial crisis to borrowing to maintain all those services would be.........?
easy to throw stones but I don't see any alternatives being thrown in the mix

Buy less BMW limo,s?

[Laava]

The worst thing is when you introduce 12 month warrant of fitness it is business as normal for the first 6 months then almost nothing for the next 6 as only newly introduced and old vehicles to the system will be in need during that 2nd half.

Plus a new vehicles wof is valid for 3 yrs.

[mstriumph]

Your opinion doesn't matter.....you don't live here......you don't contribute tax to our economy.......you want to come back to our country and take advantage of our citizens by buying them out of their assets with money you didn't earn here or pay taxes on here........in other words, you are a parasite.

YOUR country, ooooh, how arrogant
- it's my country too ..... mebbe (by your yardstick of money being important) mine more than yours as, with respect, I've probably paid more in tax etc in NZ than you have.

If, on the other hand, you think your status as (I assume) a CURRENT NZ taxpayer makes the country more yours than mine, it follows that you also consider yourself superior to NZ pensioners? ... as in it doesn't matter how much they paid in tax during their working life there, they aren't contributing to the coffers now so it's no longer THEIR country either? Are THEY parasites too? What a total sweetie you are.

I certainly care more about it than you do as at least I'm prepared to take a run at the vultures descending to tear the flesh from the carcass. You are too blind to even notice they are hovering (and probably won't until you are buried in vulture shit).

Stay where you are.....we don't want you any more than we want kim dot con

here you go with the 'we' again - what are you? the schoolyard bully, head of some exclusive silly person clique? Have news for you, Muppet - posture as you will, one word from you and I'll continue to do as I like ...

you will not buy me out of anything, I earn plenty.

Defensive .... I obviously hit a nerve ooooops.
Careful, your insecurities are showing

[mstriumph]

...are destined to disappoint everyone. The very first thing you need in order to help anyone is a strong "productive sector", and the left simply don't provide an environment in which that's possible.

.... next thing, you'll be telling me there's no Tooth Fairy

Personally, I care rather a lot more about the utter waste of human potential represented by those typically needing support. But rather than automatically blame everyone else for their lack I'd ask why they haven't taken responsibility for their own success in a world where that's never been so easy.

If you think I don't care about waste of potential you are wrong ... but I believe (that disconcerting word again) that a fair few of people on welfare would prefer not to be there (even if only because the pay is lousy and there's no coffee machine or water cooler) and would welcome/benefit from encouragement, mentoring, assistance from those of us lucky enough to be self-sufficient to help them out of the mire.

Welfare is a last resort ... how would YOU feel if you had to accept handouts? I know that, if it were me, I'd be ashamed, humiliated, beaten down by the experience ... it's downright unkind of the rest of us towards those in that predicament by rubbing their noses in it and despising them as leeches.

To answer the point I think you are heading towards (I just know you'll stop me if I'm wrong ), Yes - I'm aware there are 'career' welfare recipients - those who don't equate self-sufficiency with self-respect, those who no amount of encouragement and assistance will help. You can't save everyone - my concern is with those with something to contribute who can be assisted to do just that.

[skippa1]

YOUR country, ooooh, how arrogant


If, on the other hand, you think your status as (I assume) a CURRENT NZ taxpayer makes the country more yours than mine, it follows that you also consider yourself superior to NZ pensioners? ... as in it doesn't matter how much they paid in tax during their working life there, they aren't contributing to the coffers now so it's no longer THEIR country either? Are THEY parasites too? What a total sweetie you are.

fuckin hypocrite......you don't contribute anything to NZ pensioners or superannuation and plan to retire here. As I said, your opinion is meaningless.
sad bitch

[skippa1]

As simple as your understanding of how the world works.
You were unable to counter the points I made, otherwise you would have, instead of the condescending rhetoric.
They didn't need to borrow to bail out private institution's.......... they wanted to... they did so to protect their friends.
Their free market ideals were for sale.........

Thing is, you didn't make any points other than to let financial investment companies collapse. Mum and dad investors loose their retirement funds, investment company staff loose their jobs and directors skulk off in the night. That helps how exactly?

at least if there is bail out and statutory management, some good may come. Typical left wing idealism that refuses to look at the facts.

[yokel]

The worst thing is when you introduce 12 month warrant of fitness it is business as normal for the first 6 months then almost nothing for the next 6 as only newly introduced and old vehicles to the system will be in need during that 2nd half.

Well if theses WOF businesses were part of the TPPA then they could seek compensation or sue the government.
bit like skycity if the government change the rules

[avgas]

Did more than 75% of people vote this time? I read 2.1M - but have no idea what the voting population is there anymore.


Hmmmm I guess not - that is 100,000 less than last election. So unless the population decreased in the same amount since 2011 it's a a pretty worrying trend.

2011 - 74.2% turnout @ 2.2M / 3M

2013 - 70% turnout @ 2.1M / 3M* (assuming voting population is the same).

Whats the bet there will be $2M voting in 2016?

Will 50% of people not give a fuck / dislike the system by 2024?

We have a problem NZ - when do we want to acknowledge it?

[husaberg]

Thing is, you didn't make any points other than to let financial investment companies collapse. Mum and dad investors loose their retirement funds, investment company staff loose their jobs and directors skulk off in the night. That helps how exactly?

at least if there is bail out and statutory management, some good may come. Typical left wing idealism that refuses to look at the facts.

Facts are
The financial institutions they are not government guaranteed they are not banks neither is the stock market.
If you cannot afford to lose the money invested don’t invest in them.
This is free market right wing idealism boiled down to its most basic.
Yet somehow this idealism is put aside and changed to we must bail out...the mom and pop investers........ yeah right.

The reason people do invest in the stock market and other investment institutions is they offer a higher rate of return ie greed
Why should the more prudent taxpayer fund the greed and stupidity of others.
as for the staff of investment companies losing their jobs well survial of the fittest is also a right wing ideal.
If they were better at their job they would not need bailing out.
Why should the tax payer have to prop them up when the owners of them don’t?
eg Hanover.......... wall street.... i could go on and on but why bother.

[Katman]

Did more than 75% of people vote this time? I read 2.1M - but have no idea what the voting population is there anymore.

I read somewhere that it was about 77% turnout.

[Blackbird]

Facts are
The financial institutions they are not government guaranteed they are not banks neither is the stock market.
If you cannot afford to lose the money invested don’t invest in them.
This is free market right wing idealism boiled down to its most basic.

Absolutely, but I'd like to add a rider and that is with any type of purchase, DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

Back in the 80's we got burned in the sharemarket crash because I didn't know what I didn't know about investing and got caught up in the hype of the time. When I retired 6 years ago, I'd built up a sizeable company superannuation sum and didn't want to lose that. I booked an appointment with the head of the company which invests the superannuation funds of some of NZ's biggest companies, including the company I worked for. As well as explaining some principles of investment, he went on to say that many financial institutions quietly push a financial product rather than working on behalf of the client by specifically meeting their needs and giving truly independent advice. He then went on to say that there were only a small handful of investment advisors in NZ that he would trust with his money.

We went to one that he recommended and the care he took to meet our specific needs was a complete revelation. 6 years later, he's still actively managing our investment and the after-tax return since we started has been spectacularly above bank returns, but with well-managed risk.

Do I consider myself a greedy capitalist? Not on your life! Simply wanting a good return to support the family by using a competent advisor, which gives me time to do the things I love like riding and travelling. The key as with anything is getting sound advice.

[Oscar]

Did more than 75% of people vote this time? I read 2.1M - but have no idea what the voting population is there anymore.


Hmmmm I guess not - that is 100,000 less than last election. So unless the population decreased in the same amount since 2011 it's a a pretty worrying trend.

2011 - 74.2% turnout @ 2.2M / 3M

2013 - 70% turnout @ 2.1M / 3M* (assuming voting population is the same).

Whats the bet there will be $2M voting in 2016?

Will 50% of people not give a fuck / dislike the system by 2024?

We have a problem NZ - when do we want to acknowledge it?

The only problem here is your maths.

[husaberg]

Absolutely, but I'd like to add a rider and that is with any type of purchase, DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

Back in the 80's we got burned in the sharemarket crash because I didn't know what I didn't know about investing and got caught up in the hype of the time. When I retired 6 years ago, I'd built up a sizeable company superannuation sum and didn't want to lose that. I booked an appointment with the head of the company which invests the superannuation funds of some of NZ's biggest companies, including the company I worked for. As well as explaining some principles of investment, he went on to say that many financial institutions quietly push a financial product rather than working on behalf of the client by specifically meeting their needs and giving truly independent advice. He then went on to say that there were only a small handful of investment advisors in NZ that he would trust with his money.

We went to one that he recommended and the care he took to meet our specific needs was a complete revelation. 6 years later, he's still actively managing our investment and the after-tax return since we started has been spectacularly above bank returns, but with well-managed risk.

Do I consider myself a greedy capitalist? Not on your life! Simply wanting a good return to support the family by using a competent advisor, which gives me time to do the things I love like riding and travelling. The key as with anything is getting sound advice.

Neither do i consider you a greedy capitalist, but would you expect the goverment and the tax payer to bail you out if it went pear shaped? I expect not.
So why should the National government bail out private investment institutions, they (the right) always said they were not the nanny state.
It is an odd turn of events and a fundamental reversal of free market policy.