"Lest we forget"

[amberzfire]

Hey Mstriumph,

While I cannot speak to or for the fallen ... nor have I ever been a member of the armed forces, I can only come from the compassionate and empathetic viewpoint of a civilian.

What they went through I can't even begin to imagine. Much respect.

Thankyou for posting this, it has triggered remembrance of others when I become consumed by my own daily existence.

[allycatz]

A while back, I went in to sit one of our 87 year old residents for breakfast. In total panic his first wordstome..."tell them I can't go out with a cracked window, it will never hold, we won't make it back". I held his hand and asked me to tell me what the window was for so I could pass the message on to the right person. He was of course referring to his Corsair's he flew in the Pacific in WWII.....52 missions in total and every time they came back with one less plane.

I look at the war channel and I see young vibrant men and women. These are the same men and woman I now care for. Without these guys we would not be where we are today. That's why I'm proud to take care of them

[amberzfire]

A while back, I went in to sit one of our 87 year old residents for breakfast. In total panic his first wordstome..."tell them I can't go out with a cracked window, it will never hold, we won't make it back". I held his hand and asked me to tell me what the window was for so I could pass the message on to the right person. He was of course referring to his Corsair's he flew in the Pacific in WWII.....52 missions in total and every time they came back with one less plane.

I look at the war channel and I see young vibrant men and women. These are the same men and woman I now care for. Without these guys we would not be where we are today. That's why I'm proud to take care of them

well said allycatz ... it takes a special person to look after others.

[mstriumph]

What a lot of crap

When did Japan and Germany attack us???

Japan attacked the USA who up to that stage had stayed out of the war apart from arms supplys.

Germany were warned time and time that if they invaded Poland England would have no option but to declare war. Chamberlain did everything but show a white flag to Hitler and his mob.

You would be happy for Europe and where ever else was under the third reich???

Dickhead

Japan attacked Australia - read my post re my citizenship - because of Australia's alliance with Britain
Germany attacked Britain - read my post re my citizenship - because of Britain's overseas alliance (Poland)

my contention is that neither attack would have happened if Britain and Australia had had the sense to stay OUT of other people's squabbles

if you want it closer to NZ (read my post etc etc) then defend, if you can, the slaughter of NZers at Gallipoli ... WHY THE HELL WERE THEY THERE??? Because our government (speaking as a NZer now) blindly followed where others led.

.... and someone who can't formulate the plural of 'supply' has no right to call someone who can names .... you dickhead.

[mstriumph]

M'dear, if you'd suggested to any one of the dearly departed that their choices were anything but their own you'd have got your bottom spanked.

Same today.

hmmmmm I take THAT with a large pinch of salt. Folk in their teens/20's are full to the brim with testosterone, bored with their day-to-day, looking for adventure and think they are immortal (read 'bulletproof).

Along comes a totally immoral government and, for its own ends, takes advantage of that by manipulating reality with the smoke and mirrors of patriotism and honour.

Now - if you call THAT a 'free' choice ............... I've got a bridge in Sydney harbour that I can let you have cheap

[mstriumph]

Totally agree with mstriumph! ...

War is a complete waste of everything .................!

wow

and again - wow

[mstriumph]

Probably ... means you're guessing. State FACT (on THIS subject) or shut up.

you want us to swap lists of dead friends and relatives to prove a point on an internet forum? You obviously have an odd notion of the meaning of the word 'respect'.

SO HAVE I ... and I do ...

??? you do what? forgive all? carry a card? think I carry a card? what? WHAT??

I remember/KNEW some of those dead ... before they died. And ... spoke to their Parents afterwards. THEY ... and I ... believed we served with a true purpose. AND .. none I knew ever regretted being in those places.

Just one more proof that brainwashing works - not being a smartarse, it makes me truly sad.

Pull your head in. You're NOT impressing or convincing ANYBODY.

Yup - not allowed to cast aspersions on patriotism, eh? ............. or say that the king has no clothes ....

Our Country ASKED it of us. We didn't HAVE to go.

if you are talking NZ, (I was talking more generally) which war are you talking about? No conscription in WW1? WW2? hmmmm? If conscription was a mere request, how come folks got locked up for declining the invitation, hmmmm? If you are talking more recent times, and more generally as I was, Australians were conscripted for Vietnam. I think you'll find they did HAVE to go.

Few that went anywhere ... had any regrets.

... if you came back in one piece, it was probably a great adventure .......... if you came back ruined or dead, you'd probably have a modified viewpoint methinks.

What didn't impress us ... was the attitude of those that DIDN'T go.

Hey - don't knock me because I don't 'choose' to go marching into someone else's country to play with a lot of armament the government would NEVER let me get my hands on at home, shoot random foreigners I've never been introduced to BECAUSE THEY ARE DEFENDING THEIR OWN SOIL, and blow other people's shit up.

If someone has attacked you, personally, then by all means go after them ... but to shoot strangers in their own country because some pack of unrepresentative swill (thank you Mr Keating) of a government wants to make brownie points with their overseas counterparts???? The mind boggles.

YOUR opinion only ... and those that served overseas ... had no respect for any comments of that ... (or similar vein).

erm? Is English your first language? If so, how frustrating for you to be so inarticulate in it.

[mstriumph]

..............

Those that returned from the Somme were called hero's ...

.

which hero's what?

[Akzle]

which hero's what?

somme. .

[R650R]

you want us to swap lists of dead friends and relatives to prove a point on an internet forum? You obviously have an odd notion of the meaning of the word 'respect'.

Some pertinent comebacks there, well said.

Back to topic, maybe it should be "Lest we selectively forget"
Its all very well to honour those who died stopping a potential threat to civilisation, but at the same time we should not forget the mistakes made and the crimes by the colluders and makers of war.
Many Western corpoarations were complicit in sharing technology with Nazi branches of their companies as it advanced their design technology and profits.
The then were the owners of IG Farben and other major industrials who utilised slave labour from the concentration camps to produce goods. Many of these companies exist today still under major brand name labels with slight changes but still owned by same families.

[Akzle]

Many of these companies exist today still under major brand name labels with slight changes but still owned by same families.

the jews !

[Ocean1]

hmmmmm I take THAT with a large pinch of salt. Folk in their teens/20's are full to the brim with testosterone, bored with their day-to-day, looking for adventure and think they are immortal (read 'bulletproof).

As opposed to, say middle aged concaved folk who are full of butterflies and flowers and likely to turn cheeks at the drop of a morter and think liberty grows on trees?

Along comes a totally immoral government and, for its own ends, takes advantage of that by manipulating reality with the smoke and mirrors of patriotism and honour.

Possibly less destructive than those encouraging our teens/20's into a liberal arts degree though.

And I'm not convinced "patriotism" and "honour" can coexist in a coherent sentence with "manipulating reality".

Now - if you call THAT a 'free' choice ............... I've got a bridge in Sydney harbour that I can let you have cheap

Any other groups you feel need to be relieved of the responsibility of making their own decisions? Voters, perhaps? Jews? Women? And who should make those choices for them, eh?

No Ms, it was their choice, theirs alone. And they made it knowing that the ability to do so was precisely what was at stake. History says they succeeded. And frankly I'd take their choice any day of the week over attempting to protect individual freedoms from people who "just know better", those who incrementally erode our freedoms under the guise of "the greater good".

[mstriumph]

the jews !

c'mon .... everyone recognises overcompensatation when they see it ....
everyone KNOWS that Akzle is a Jewish name

[jonbuoy]

c'mon .... everyone recognises overcompensatation when they see it ....
everyone KNOWS that Akzle is a Jewish name

Classy thread- KB dips to a new low.

[mstriumph]

As opposed to, say middle aged concaved folk who are full of butterflies and flowers and likely to turn cheeks at the drop of a morter and think liberty grows on trees?

lol
ahhh c'mon, some of us have killed people ... why d'you think we now prefer butterflies?

Possibly less destructive than those encouraging our teens/20's into a liberal arts degree though.

hmmm well THAT misguided descision might merely make them unemployable in the real world ... but at least they'd still BE in the real world (as opposed to potentially dead?)

And I'm not convinced "patriotism" and "honour" can coexist in a coherent sentence with "manipulating reality".

no-one has ever accused me of being coherent before not sure how to react ....

Any other groups you feel need to be relieved of the responsibility of making their own decisions? Voters, perhaps? Jews? Women? And who should make those choices for them, eh?

nice try but inadmissible ... there's a whole (very lucrative) industry based on making people's choices for them ... the acceptable name for it is advertising... when governments do it, the more sinister (and accurate) name is brainwashing

No Ms, it was their choice, theirs alone. And they made it knowing that the ability to do so was precisely what was at stake.

sorry, but bollocks (and you know it)

History says they succeeded.

erm? "personal sucess through being dead or dismembered" does that REALLY work for you?