Petrol stations docking staff pay for drive offs

[BMWST?]

I was told by an ex BP employee, the camera systems are minutes by a computer system which monitors most gas stations. If a vehicle has stolen gas, been reported stolen or the plates can't be read/scanned, an alarm goes off so the attendant knows to not activate the pump unless pre paid.

As for not being able to prove the theft, the vehicle contains stolen goods. Petrol is a good (good English). If a vehicle owner claims innocence, they could still be done for receiving stolen goods.

It's illegal for a company to pay less than minimum wage, which after the pay is docked, many employees are effectively under paid. That's illegal. If pay docking is in your contract, then they can dock your pay with your consent.

The thing I don't get though, is the guy on the news was saying if$100 gas was stolen, he would be docked $100. But gas stations have insurance, and they have accountants. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if a shop writes off goods as stolen, they don't have to pay tax's on the goods, so $100 at the pump, only costs the station $50, so they still make a profit when docking pay.

what universe do you live in.?I bet a petrol station pays 90 bucks for a 100 worth of petrol.Not condoning this docking of pay at all.Its an absolute CRIME

[bogan]

I understand what your saying but theres not room for 4 million bosses and no workers in the country.
Moving the level of education up doesn't create anything other than a increase in overqualified people working jobs below their skill level.

As for financial risks not covered by profit. Not an excuse for treating staff as an insurance policy.

You're correct if those 'overqualified' people get BAs, but if they got BEngs or something useful there could just be robots aplenty to do the manual labour

[Scuba_Steve]

You're correct if those 'overqualified' people get BAs, but if they got BEngs or something useful there could just be robots aplenty to do the manual labour

But who would build & maintain those robots? Everyone would be too "overqualified" to do it... Thats the biggest problem with academics, everything's "beneath them"

[bogan]

But who would build & maintain those robots? Everyone would be too "overqualified" to do it... Thats the biggest problem with academics, everything's "beneath them"

Robot maintenance is a skilled job, not manual labor. And other robots would build the robots initially, obviously

Engineers aren't academics either, engies tend to do things...

[Woodman]

Fucking spreadsheets. Too many "managers" spend too much time staring at spreadsheets and lose touch with reality, or more than likely have never experienced reality in the first place.

[Madness]

what universe do you live in.?I bet a petrol station pays 90 bucks for a 100 worth of petrol.

I'll raise you to $97.00, delivered.

[haydes55]

what universe do you live in.?I bet a petrol station pays 90 bucks for a 100 worth of petrol.Not condoning this docking of pay at all.Its an absolute CRIME

$90 cost.... Add 15% GST =$103.50

What universe do you live in, GST alone would have them losing money for every drop of fuel they sell.

"When you last bought petrol, 67.129 cents per litre was collected by the government as fuel excise (excluding GST)." From aa.co.nz

I have no idea how petrol taxes are organised, but I know for sure a shop keeper doesn't pay GST on stolen goods. So why would they pay the other taxes too?

If a gas station sells gas at $2/L then they get $1.70/L after GST. Take away $0.67129/L they will lose money if they pay any more than $1.02871/L for gas..... Or roughly half of what they charge.... So $100 on the pump, equals $50 to the gas station.

[BMWST?]

$90 cost.... Add 15% GST =$103.50

What universe do you live in, GST alone would have them losing money for every drop of fuel they sell.

"When you last bought petrol, 67.129 cents per litre was collected by the government as fuel excise (excluding GST)." From aa.co.nz

I have no idea how petrol taxes are organised, but I know for sure a shop keeper doesn't pay GST on stolen goods. So why would they pay the other taxes too?

If a gas station sells gas at $2/L then they get $1.70/L after GST. Take away $0.67129/L they will lose money if they pay any more than $1.02871/L for gas..... Or roughly half of what they charge.... So $100 on the pump, equals $50 to the gas station.

I accept your sums,but I know that the margins they work too are very very tight.Hence the attempts to recover shrinkage

[Madness]

Excise taxes are normally collected at either the border or the factory that produces the commodity being taxed. From my experience in a previous job, to get a refund on tobacco Excise & Duties from Customs, the body that paid the tax in the first instance has to submit the claim along with the unsold product itself before a refund is given and the product then destroyed under Customs control.

I can't imagine the situation with petrol being much different. The station will be paying the taxes in their cost price which will be completely non-refundable and is normally paid for the day the fuel is pumped into their tanks.

Something that sells for $2.00 including GST at 15.0% actually has a GST content of $0.26, not $0.30 but don't let that get in the way of a good fantasy.

[haydes55]

Excise taxes are normally collected at either the border or the factory that produces the commodity being taxed. From my experience in a previous job, to get a refund on tobacco Excise & Duties from Customs, the body that paid the tax in the first instance has to submit the claim along with the unsold product itself before a refund is given and the product then destroyed under Customs control.



I can't imagine the situation with petrol being much different. The station will be paying the taxes in their cost price which will be completely non-refundable and is normally paid for the day the fuel is pumped into their tanks.



Something that sells for $2.00 including GST at 15.0% actually has a GST content of $0.26, not $0.30 but don't let that get in the way of a good fantasy.

Sorry for being 4 cents out.....still costs the station a fuck load closer to $50 than $90. An accountant would get the taxes rebated.

[Madness]

Sorry for being 4 cents out.....still costs the station a fuck load closer to $50 than $90. An accountant would get the taxes rebated.

You're a fucking dreamer.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ectid=10779124

[Ocean1]

I understand what your saying but theres not room for 4 million bosses and no workers in the country.
Moving the level of education up doesn't create anything other than a increase in overqualified people working jobs below their skill level.

As for financial risks not covered by profit. Not an excuse for treating staff as an insurance policy.

So there's just workers and bosses? 80% of NZ's economy is generated by small to medium businesses, very few of those involved in such business would agree with you.

And you're right, moving the level of education up alone doesn't create jobs, you need those qualifications to be generating product that people want to buy. And while digging potatoes is an honest and worthwhile career machines do it faster than any human and a lot cheaper than any human can. So learn to build/service machines, it's not an intractable problem.

And if you have a wee look you'll see I actually suggested that there was no excuse for behaving like an arsehole, no matter your profession.

[haydes55]

You're a fucking dreamer.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ectid=10779124

"So if petrol cost $2 a litre, just more than 92c would be tax." From that article.

[Virago]

$90 cost.... Add 15% GST =$103.50

What universe do you live in, GST alone would have them losing money for every drop of fuel they sell.

"When you last bought petrol, 67.129 cents per litre was collected by the government as fuel excise (excluding GST)." From aa.co.nz

I have no idea how petrol taxes are organised, but I know for sure a shop keeper doesn't pay GST on stolen goods. So why would they pay the other taxes too?

If a gas station sells gas at $2/L then they get $1.70/L after GST. Take away $0.67129/L they will lose money if they pay any more than $1.02871/L for gas..... Or roughly half of what they charge.... So $100 on the pump, equals $50 to the gas station.

You are 100% correct - in that you have no fucking idea about how tax works.

[JimO]

they could stop drive offs by having a staff member on the forcourt at all times. as well as a till jockey to sell the lollies coffees etc, put the service back into "service station"