Global warming?

[oldrider]

We've got it all in that article....
Logical fallacies of all shapes, strawman arguments, motivated reasoning, and the old fallback of just making crap up.

Such fun!

Yeah but the same applies to both (multiple) sides of this whole global warming argument who the fuck can you believe?

[puddytat]

Yeah but the same applies to both (multiple) sides of this whole global warming argument who the fuck can you believe?

Look around Dude....make up your own mind.

Or maybe wake up & smell the pollution...

[yokel]

how come no one is talking about the advantages of a little global warming??

[mada]

To be honest we can't trust the scientists because they make a living from climate change and the ways it can be fixed. We can trust those who are making money off things that are alleged to cause it, because they have no bias.

It's the same with getting the bike fixed, theres no fucking way I trust any bike mechanic because they make a living from fixing bikes and the ways it can be fixed. I only trust those who cause problems to bikes, eg. shitty drivers.

[swbarnett]

Look around Dude....make up your own mind.

Or maybe wake up & smell the pollution...

Fuck! Your global perception is a hell of a lot better than mine. Or are you telling me that you actually believe anything the modern media shovels at us?

[swbarnett]

We can trust those who are making money off things that are alleged to cause it, because they have no bias.

Bullshit. They have a bias to it not happening.

Nobody is completely bias free.

[mada]

Bullshit. They have a bias to it not happening.

Nobody is completely bias free.

Sorry mate, should have said I was being sarcastic with that sentence.

One of the arguments out there is we cant trust scientists, because they get paid for research... but yeh we can trust oil companies, coal burning factories, etc.

Nowhere else do we hear this argument... we cant trust doctors cause they make money off us being ill, we cant trust Police or Corrections because they make money from crime existing.

[swbarnett]

Sorry mate, should have said I was being sarcastic with that sentence.

No worries mate. My sarcasim sensor tends to wane at this time of night.

[oldrider]

Look around Dude....make up your own mind.

Or maybe wake up & smell the pollution...

True the world around us is full of shit ... it always has been always will be its only the depth that varies!

[bogan]

Sorry mate, should have said I was being sarcastic with that sentence.

One of the arguments out there is we cant trust scientists, because they get paid for research... but yeh we can trust oil companies, coal burning factories, etc.

Nowhere else do we hear this argument... we cant trust doctors cause they make money off us being ill, we cant trust Police or Corrections because they make money from crime existing.

That's because that argument is just a way for plebs to justify having their own 'right' opinion while remaining ignorant of the science. How would you apply that reasoning to doctors or jailers?

[Katman]

Yeah but the same applies to both (multiple) sides of this whole global warming argument who the fuck can you believe?

I'm not sure what to believe with the whole global warming business.

What I am sure of is that we seem hell-bent on polluting the fuck out of the earth that we rely on for our survival.

[caspernz]

The premise to the whole global warming phenomenon being man made is supremely simple. Allegedly increased CO2 emissions cause temperature rise, but the record shows temperature has been rising ahead of the CO2 increase. The same scientists who first raised the topic of global warming being man made went back over their research and found they were wrong...compelling logic in my book. http://youtu.be/52Mx0_8YEtg

[SPman]

The premise to the whole global warming phenomenon being man made is supremely simple. Allegedly increased CO2 emissions cause temperature rise, but the record shows temperature has been rising ahead of the CO2 increase. The same scientists who first raised the topic of global warming being man made went back over their research and found they were wrong...compelling logic in my book. http://youtu.be/52Mx0_8YEtg

ALLEGEDLY - there's no allegedly about it - unless you have an insight into physics unknown to some of the top physicists of the last 150 yrs. (Tyndall, Rankine, Ångström, Langley, Stefan, Planck, Kirchhoff & Svante Arrhenius.)

The CO2 lags warming by 700 or 800 years is the old paradigm, but now there is new high resolution data that rewrites a new paradigm. One where during the ice ages CO2 PRECEDED the warming.


"The work also confirms earlier studies showing that the initial rise of atmospheric CO2 did indeed precede the thawing of the globe, despite previous indications that it lagged behind slightly in ice cores."


http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/11/as-earth-left-the-last-ice-age-co2-rose-in-fits-and-starts/
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v514/n7524/full/nature13799.html
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/339/6123/1060
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v484/n7392/full/nature10915.html

[SPman]

I'm not sure what to believe with the whole global warming business.

What I am sure of is that we seem hell-bent on polluting the fuck out of the earth that we rely on for our survival.

And if nothing else, we should be at least addressing it on this basis!

The melt rate of glaciers in the fastest-melting part of Antarctica has tripled over the past decade, researchers say in an analysis of the past 21 years.
Glaciers in the Amundsen Sea in West Antarctica are losing ice faster than another part of Antarctica and are the biggest contributor to rising sea levels, said researchers at the University of California at Irvine and NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory on Tuesday.
Research published in May concluded that the melting of glaciers in West Antarctica, which contain enough water to raise sea levels by at least a metre, is speeding up and seems irreversible.

http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2014/...iers-speeding/

[mada]

That's because that argument is just a way for plebs to justify having their own 'right' opinion while remaining ignorant of the science. How would you apply that reasoning to doctors or jailers?

Yeh mate, thankfully those who use that argument usually support professionals and science on other matters eg. vaccines, but there are a small minority who will find one report from some very discredited person or one tiny piece of research against thousands and thousands to justify why "mans impact on climate change" or "vaccines" are completely wrong and all those who support them must have some bias or interest in making money - doctors and nurses make no money from vaccines. My point is that it is absurd to attack research on the basis that the researchers get paid to undertake it.

The solution to global warming is clear (taking the piss/sarcastic)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...s-dropped.html