Navy unable to board fishing vessels

**Waihou Thumper** · 15th January 2015, 10:12

Originally Posted by cassina

In the video I saw they would stretch crew members between ships for not obeying orders.

That seems pointless! The cabin space and deck-heads are small anyway...Guess that means the crew sleep out on deck, but bloody handy when you need to reach that
painter on the davit arm aye...

**puddytat** · 15th January 2015, 10:17

NZFist is waving their one with Ron Marks

**Banditbandit** · 15th January 2015, 10:48

Originally Posted by Winston001

Do our navy ships carry a squad of marines?

Godzone does not have marines ...

But the Navy has permission to board ... https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-st...fishing-boats/ (paragraph three) ...

The boats' captains are not being cooperative ... it's not like a land-based police chase - they can't box them in and force them to stop ..

"The HMNZS WELLINGTON attempted to exercise its legitimate right to board the Yongding and the Songhua earlier (on Wednesday), but the vessels refused to cooperate.

"Due to the conditions and the evasive tactics of the masters it was not possible to safely board these vessels."

OK .. so you are on the high seas, probably in rolling conditions and you are trying to get from one boat to the other and the other boat is not cooperating ... the reality could be that it is NOT POSSIBLE to board a boat running fast in a high sea and trying to evade you ... nothing to do with the law or the willingness of people - but the actual physics of the situation ... our navy can shadow the boats and get them at any time - it's not worth risking lives to get on the boats immediately.

**Waihou Thumper** · 15th January 2015, 10:56

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

... our navy can shadow the boats and get them at any time - it's not worth risking lives to get on the boats immediately.

To a point, and at present they are playing a waiting game (the illegal fishing boats) until such time the RNZN needs to fuel the vessel and bugger off back to port...

**Banditbandit** · 15th January 2015, 11:00

Originally Posted by Waihou Thumper

To a point, and at present they are playing a waiting game (the illegal fishing boats) until such time the RNZN needs to fuel the vessel and bugger off back to port...

The same applies to the fishing boats .. they will need to refuel sometime ..

**TheDemonLord** · 15th January 2015, 11:04

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

The boats' captains are not being cooperative ... it's not like a land-based police chase - they can't box them in and force them to stop ..

OK .. so you are on the high seas, probably in rolling conditions and you are trying to get from one boat to the other and the other boat is not cooperating ... the reality could be that it is NOT POSSIBLE to board a boat running fast in a high sea and trying to evade you ... nothing to do with the law or the willingness of people - but the actual physics of the situation ... our navy can shadow the boats and get them at any time - it's not worth risking lives to get on the boats immediately.

I find that unlike a land based chase - a series of 25 mm Cannon shells whizzing over my head would be a great incentive to stop

Also - WTF are we doing with the biggest gun on a patrol boat being a 25 mm?

**Waihou Thumper** · 15th January 2015, 11:08

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

I find that unlike a land based chase - a series of 25 mm Cannon shells whizzing over my head would be a great incentive to stop

Also - WTF are we doing with the biggest gun on a patrol boat being a 25 mm?

She also carries 2 .50 calibre machine guns
They'd put a nice ding in anyones side...

Browning Machine Gun, Cal. .50, M2, HB, Flexible.

**Banditbandit** · 15th January 2015, 11:17

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

I find that unlike a land based chase - a series of 25 mm Cannon shells whizzing over my head would be a great incentive to stop

Also - WTF are we doing with the biggest gun on a patrol boat being a 25 mm?

You would find that an incentive ... maybe the captains of these boats would not find it an incentive at all ... maybe they face worse if they get back home without the boat and catch.

And, given what we know about what goes on onboard these types of boats (slave labour and abuses basically), it would be very unwise to shoot at the boats and kill helpless and captive workers ..

Why are some people here trying to second-guess what to do ... Let the authorities sort out this one ...

**Taxythingy** · 15th January 2015, 11:34

I vote we buy a couple of submarines. Use them to torpedo the fuckers and invoke some plausible deniability.

Cheaper would be doing the Rainbow Warrior thing on the ships the next time they call into port. A couple of rounds of that and someone will work out that fishing the area isn't quite as economic as it once was.

**awayatc** · 15th January 2015, 12:23

Cheap.....?
bit of line with a buoy either end could easily faul a prop...
R.I.B. very quick and manouvrable...
bummer if they would have to request a tow.....
hard to find cheaper solution....

**Waihou Thumper** · 15th January 2015, 12:27

Originally Posted by awayatc

R.I.B. very quick and manouvrable...
bummer if they would have to request a tow.....
hard to find cheaper solution....

They got plenty of these...2 in fact. RHIB, and could even deck out with a landing craft (not useful in this case though)
BUT, they could use one of these...

Kaman SH-2G Super Seasprite

**Akzle** · 15th January 2015, 15:42

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

Also - WTF are we doing with the biggest gun on a patrol boat being a 25 mm?

why, that's only slightly larger than my pig-gun

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

... Let the authorities sort out this one ...

have you considered fucking right off?
if not, give it some thought...

who the fuck trusts "the authorities"... even on a good day.

**5150** · 15th January 2015, 15:48

if i'm allowed, because JIAFP.

That's a big pee-shooter you have there...

**mashman** · 15th January 2015, 15:50

Originally Posted by Taxythingy

I vote we buy a couple of submarines. Use them to torpedo the fuckers and invoke some plausible deniability.

Cheaper would be doing the Rainbow Warrior thing on the ships the next time they call into port. A couple of rounds of that and someone will work out that fishing the area isn't quite as economic as it once was.

NZ needs rail guns.