Navy unable to board fishing vessels

[The Reibz]

Navy is dry now Akzle. At sea anyway.
Bring back the Tot

[Akzle]

Navy is dry now Akzle. At sea anyway.
Bring back the Tot

pussies.
Id love to be dic a fuken destroyer. Err. Frigate. Uhh, cruiser?...rib? Runabout?
Fuck it. A raft, at least.

[Winston001]

The frigate Wellington. Damned if they do and damned if they don't.

If the Wellington's sailors try to board one of these ships and one or more of them die in the attempt - what can any of us say of comfort to their families? Johnny died trying to check out some fish? That is a hard message to tell.

Or maybe the Wellington fires on the ship - chinese or spanish crew die and/or at have to be rescued from the freezing ocean. That would look good to the rest of the world.

The real bad guys (the owners) are thousands of miles away and at no risk. Do we really want to kill people who earn sod all and barely know why they are there?

[awayatc]

We'd be doing them a favour really if you put it like that.....

was it the owners who prevented boarding..?

or the captain....?

[skippa1]

Look, I know they probably do a great job with a lack of funding and support from the government, but it's a bit embarrassing that the navy is trying, and unable to, board those fishing boats. They have given the reason that it was due to the 'conditions' (looks pretty calm to me) and evasive maneuvers by the boats' captains. Blow me down - if evasive moves by those rusty old hunks stop them - they've got bugger all chance against a foreign force.

I see from the photo they brought in the entire New Zealand airforce to help too.

Am I being too harsh? I just thought - you know, 3 rusty fishing boats shouldn't be too much of a problem.

What I don't get is - if Greenpeace and SeaShepherd can manage to board Japanese boats (who are prepared to repel them) on a regular basis... why is it so hard for our Navy? It's not like they are going to get shot at, and they have the go-ahead to board. Surely there's more to the story?!

Welcome to The Internet.



To be clear my issue is with the politicians.

yeah right

[TheDemonLord]

Or maybe the Wellington fires on the ship - chinese or spanish crew die and/or at have to be rescued from the freezing ocean. That would look good to the rest of the world.

It would - If you come to NZ to fish illegally you can expect to be Boarded, using force if you don't comply.

[skippa1]

It would - If you come to NZ to fish illegally you can expect to be Boarded, using force if you don't comply.

Yep....spot on

[R650R]

apart from the comment...

This is what the navy bitches sign up for and train for

All armed forces are cannon fodder and they sign their lives away to the govt to this effect. Perhaps bitches was a bit sexist and didn't acknowledge the male members.
But can you imagine the airforce saying ohhhh we cant intercept that incoming terrorist plane, a thunderstorm is forecast.
Or the army saying its too frosty to raid that terrorist compound.

oh well guess they wont be any new boats for awhile after this embarrassment, well they cant recruit enough sailors as it is anyway.

No haven't served but did Cadet forces for six years so know what it would be like, cant see it being any different to a tough life doing long hours in the private sector...
Now active COMBAT service UNDER FIRE from real enemy soldiers/terrorists, know people who've been there and done that and that is something special worth acknowledging....

[Swoop]

The frigate Wellington.

HMNZS Wellington is not a frigate.

She is an OSPV.
Off Shore Patrol Vessel. (P55)

You might be confusing her with F-69.

[The Reibz]

No haven't served but did Cadet forces for six years so know what it would be like

Quote of the year right there. My deepest condolences for the hard yards you did in the cadets.

Why are you still breathing?

[R650R]

Quote of the year right there. My deepest condolences for the hard yards you did in the cadets.

Why are you still breathing?

Never said it was hard yards, just saying I've experienced the environment and could picture myself passing the required training etc back in the day if I'd gone down that path. Incidently cadet forces do go to Dipflat and do the same extreme winter bushcraft camp that army intake does except for a lesser time period. I got put through a full regular army PT training session at Linton on our SNCO course, was tough but I've since pushed myself harder in civilian endurance sports events. It got canned after two days as the instructor got done for bullying two female (school age) cadets on the course, guess that's being tough...

Have seen various ex army drivers come though transport companies and at a few service agents. One 'driver' couldn't even operate a forklift properly and load a b-train with plts of toilet tissue without tipping stuff over, and this is on dead flat concrete, not some cobbled together landing strip/base. The long hours were prob too much as he managed to dent diesel tank parking tractor unit in shed at end of shift....
My point is too often military service is bandied about as some badge of ultimate toughness when the most that many have done is camped out cold and wet for six weeks and gotten yelled at by drill instructor, very few have done the full monty active combat service getting shot at crap.

There are loads of people living in civilian life doing long hours in poor conditions, working alongside gang members etc where as most military employees are living a very safe structured life with three meals cooked every day for them etc...

[Delerium]

All armed forces are cannon fodder and they sign their lives away to the govt to this effect. Perhaps bitches was a bit sexist and didn't acknowledge the male members.
But can you imagine the airforce saying ohhhh we cant intercept that incoming terrorist plane, a thunderstorm is forecast.
Or the army saying its too frosty to raid that terrorist compound.

oh well guess they wont be any new boats for awhile after this embarrassment, well they cant recruit enough sailors as it is anyway.

No haven't served but did Cadet forces for six years so know what it would be like, cant see it being any different to a tough life doing long hours in the private sector...
Now active COMBAT service UNDER FIRE from real enemy soldiers/terrorists, know people who've been there and done that and that is something special worth acknowledging....

Exactly. You haven't served. So now you are dribbling a lot of shit, pretending you are an internet expert on the subject. Reality is you don't know fuck all on the subject. Your post also shows you don't have a complete understanding of the situation.

YOU haven't experienced jack shit. cadet forces is a far cry from serving.

Stop spouting so much crap.

[Delerium]

Never said it was hard yards, just saying I've experienced the environment and could picture myself passing the required training etc back in the day if I'd gone down that path. Incidently cadet forces do go to Dipflat and do the same extreme winter bushcraft camp that army intake does except for a lesser time period. I got put through a full regular army PT training session at Linton on our SNCO course, was tough but I've since pushed myself harder in civilian endurance sports events. It got canned after two days as the instructor got done for bullying two female (school age) cadets on the course, guess that's being tough...

Have seen various ex army drivers come though transport companies and at a few service agents. One 'driver' couldn't even operate a forklift properly and load a b-train with plts of toilet tissue without tipping stuff over, and this is on dead flat concrete, not some cobbled together landing strip/base. The long hours were prob too much as he managed to dent diesel tank parking tractor unit in shed at end of shift....
My point is too often military service is bandied about as some badge of ultimate toughness when the most that many have done is camped out cold and wet for six weeks and gotten yelled at by drill instructor, very few have done the full monty active combat service getting shot at crap.

There are loads of people living in civilian life doing long hours in poor conditions, working alongside gang members etc where as most military employees are living a very safe structured life with three meals cooked every day for them etc...

could picture myself passing the required training etc :
But you haven't. your attitude suggests you wouldn't even get in.

Incidently cadet forces do go to Dipflat and do the same extreme winter bushcraft camp that army intake does except for a lesser time period
More bullshit. Dip Flat is an RNZAF asset for a start. And your deluded if you think cadet forces does anything in the same ballpark as NZDF.

I got put through a full regular army PT training session at Linton on our SNCO course, was tough but I've since pushed myself harder in civilian endurance sports events
Well whopdeedoo You did ONE PT session. Something that is designed to increase fitness, not get you wasted. Iv played sports for PT sessions too. Does that mean you're a bigger e-thug hard man?

Have seen various ex army drivers come though ...
cool story bro.

My point is too often military service is bandied about as some badge of ultimate toughness when the most that many have done is camped out cold and wet for six weeks and gotten yelled at by drill instructor, very few have done the full monty active combat service getting shot at crap.


You wouldn't know. YOU haven't served. YOU don't know what is involved in the job.

There are loads of people living in civilian life doing long hours in poor conditions, working alongside gang members etc where as most military employees are living a very safe structured life with three meals cooked every day for them etc

Does this come from your wealth of experience on long exercises, deployments, and dealing with other situations in the course of your duties?

TLDR version: you went to cadets in highschool, couldn't make it into NZDF, and are now an expert.

I just called you out for being an armchair expert.

[TheDemonLord]

this thread just got interesting - I am eager to see how this turns out.

FWIW - I think that the cadets is akin to the forces (so Mr. R650R has a point) but cannot be considered the same, or the same level - kinda like how gokart racing is racing, and F1 is racing, so are akin to each other but are not the same by any stretch of the imagination. (which is the point Mr Reibz and Mr delerium are making)

[unstuck]

The navy are such pussies, spent many a night in the espalnade? pub in Devonport letting them tire themselves out by punching me in the head.
Such a shame that boxing is a points game though, otherwise I would have won on stubborness.