Your sovereign rights being flushed down the toilet by our politicians

[jonbuoy]

ahhh there you would be wrong

quite a movement

and you are thinking in christian judaic individualistic style ...

it would be better in a community , of which there are , and growing all the time

theres one place in Arizona thats just mental !

Just because it isnt in your own paradigm doesnt mean it aint happening

Stephen

Awesome - so when are you joining one?

[bogan]

Awesome - so when are you joining one?

+1, the term put up or shut up does spring to mind doesn't it...

[Katman]

+1, the term put up or shut up does spring to mind doesn't it...

So back to the Youtube question.......

Is searching Youtube only valid if you're looking for videos to discredit Shorai batteries?

[bogan]

So back to the Youtube question.......

Is searching Youtube only valid if you're looking for videos to discredit Shorai batteries?

Searching youtube is only valid if you are looking for raw data, and not expert interpretation. Even then it is still less valid than a properly referenced and/or peer reviewed article.

[Katman]

Searching youtube is only valid if you are looking for raw data, and not expert interpretation. Even then it is still less valid than a properly referenced and/or peer reviewed article.

So the guy doing the battery testing on youtube wasn't giving his expert interpretation?

Could you not find a 'properly referenced and/or peer reviewed article' that discredited Shorai?

[bogan]

So the guy doing the battery testing on youtube wasn't giving his expert interpretation?

Could you not find a 'properly referenced and/or peer reviewed article' that discredited Shorai?

No, it was just your standard interpretation.

I couldn't find one about a product comparison at all. Which makes sense because they don't tend to do consumer advice so much.

It's worth noting shorai show the same info on their own website too, and the video was posted to show a certain shorai salesman how to interpret said part of the website (which eventually succeeded).

[Katman]

No, it was just your standard interpretation.

I couldn't find one about a product comparison at all. Which makes sense because they don't tend to do consumer advice so much.

It's worth noting shorai show the same info on their own website too, and the video was posted to show a certain shorai salesman how to interpret said part of the website (which eventually succeeded).

So youtube is ok when it suits you?

[bogan]

So youtube is ok when it suits you?

No, youtube is ok when the presenter doesn't lie or otherwise overstate what is shown, and when it is presented in a succinct manner.

[Katman]

No, youtube is ok when the presenter doesn't lie or otherwise overstate what is shown, and when it is presented in a succinct manner.

So how do you know whether that is the case without watching the video first?

Perhaps it has something to do with choosing to ignore evidence that doesn't suit you.

[BuzzardNZ]

So back to the Youtube question.......

Is searching Youtube only valid if you're looking for videos to discredit Shorai batteries?

Oh I remember those , very entertaining and sure got Ed's hackles up at the time!

[bogan]

So how do you know whether that is the case without watching the video first?

Perhaps it has something to do with ignoring evidence that doesn't suit you.

That's what the summary of what is being presented is for. Ie, I would have posted that and said; here is a video showing a battery not outputting the number of CCAs listed on the box (or something to that effect).
So a reader can then think, well that is not an expert interpretation, and it is something which shows enough evidence for me to make a call; so I can watch it to confirm.

On the other hand, when somebody posts a video and says this shows how nanothermite was present; well I think, I don't know what nanothermite looks like (but I'm fairly sure you cannot discern it with the naked eye) so this video must have expert interpretation; but what is to say that interpretation is correct? I am no expert in that field, and the presenter might not even be either. I would far rather see a peer reviewed article so I can follow the logical deductions used, and be confident that it has at least been reviewed by people in the same field.

[bogan]

Oh I remember those , very entertaining and sure got Ed's hackles up at the time!

You remember his own 'expert' test showing 800CCA too good times.

[Katman]

I am no expert in that field, and the presenter might not even be either.

The evidence was presented by a university chemistry professor.

(I'm glad we've finally established just how full of shit you are though).

[Brian d marge]

Awesome - so when are you joining one?

+1, the term put up or shut up does spring to mind doesn't it...

Between the end of this year and mid next year , Im off on my bicycle and will be passing though NZ

and as you think its awesome , I assume in the positive light , I hope your community spirit applies to travellers

As for put up or shut up ,,,,

this is my 5th country , I've traversed ..... some peered review evidence added below , probably a damn site more than you have ever done

nice try but they are waiting for u at fail.com

these were 2015 from Tokyo to Kyoto and back


Stephen

[Ocean1]

what is stopping you going off the grid and living self sufficiently out in the bush?

Probably the same thing that prevents most of 'em living self sufficiently in society: the lack of the required work ethic.