Thinking of getting vaccinated?

**Edbear** · 11th March 2015, 12:42

Originally Posted by Akzle

...despite vaccination

Influenza is constantly mutating and the strains that were prevalent last year will be joined by new strains this year. The flu jab you get offered only covers a few of the strains, so even with having it you may succumb to one of the new ones.

There are far too many strains of the virus to inoculate against all of them, that's why some people benefit from it and some don't. This is far different from the likes of Measles or Chicken Pox, etc.

Might I suggest you educate yourself?

**Banditbandit** · 11th March 2015, 12:53

Originally Posted by mashman

So give back the healthcare element of taxation... that way you can have user pays... which is what you seem to want.

What ??? No ...

What I'm suggesting is that if parents are too stupid, too 'clever' to get their kids vaccinated - i.e. take part in a publicaly-subsidized health prevention programme which keeps everyone safe, then when health issues arise as a result of the lack of vaccination, then parents should be made to pay the full costs of that health issue ...

It's an incentive to get their kids vaccinated ...

I'm NOT suggesting that all subsidized health funding be removed from that family ..

**idb** · 11th March 2015, 12:55

Originally Posted by yokel

So when you get vaccinated you're not vaccinated?
What a fucking joke.
Well at least this kid wont need anymore shots, just got some for free!

Also people that have just been vaccinated can also spread the dieses.

how many shots does a kid have to get?

Try reading for comprehension.
It told you in the article.

Sorry, what was I thinking...
'LOLZ...nedlz suk...mslez suk wurs...too prkz...all dun.'

**Akzle** · 11th March 2015, 13:28

Originally Posted by Edbear

Influenza is constantly mutating and the strains that were prevalent last year will be joined by new strains this year. The flu jab you get offered only covers a few of the strains, so even with having it you may succumb to one of the new ones.

There are far too many strains of the virus to inoculate against all of them, that's why some people benefit from it and some don't. This is far different from the likes of Measles or Chicken Pox, etc.

Might I suggest you educate yourself?

**mashman** · 11th March 2015, 13:34

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

What ??? No ...

What I'm suggesting is that if parents are too stupid, too 'clever' to get their kids vaccinated - i.e. take part in a publicaly-subsidized health prevention programme which keeps everyone safe, then when health issues arise as a result of the lack of vaccination, then parents should be made to pay the full costs of that health issue ...

It's an incentive to get their kids vaccinated ...

I'm NOT suggesting that all subsidized health funding be removed from that family ..

I know, I was fuckin wivya for the main part.

It's not an incentive, it's blackmail, because if you don't do as you are told, you will be punished.

**Banditbandit** · 11th March 2015, 14:05

Originally Posted by mashman

It's not an incentive, it's blackmail, because if you don't do as you are told, you will be punished.

So .. who told you the world was "fair" ????

The resurgence of diseases that were close to eradication fucks it up for everyone ... And the suggestion gives them all the power to make choices .. and the live with the consequences ... there's no compulsion at all ..

If people ignore the subsidized benefits and are prepared to expose their children (and others) to virulent diseases, then why should we bear the cost of their stupidity ???

**mashman** · 11th March 2015, 15:28

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

So .. who told you the world was "fair" ????

The resurgence of diseases that were close to eradication fucks it up for everyone ... And the suggestion gives them all the power to make choices .. and the live with the consequences ... there's no compulsion at all ..

If people ignore the subsidized benefits and are prepared to expose their children (and others) to virulent diseases, then why should we bear the cost of their stupidity ???

heh... that it purposefully isn't is more my pov. It need not be so to the engineered extreme that it is.

I get it, I really do... but I also get the other side of the argument, for whatever reason, including the tfh position and if they're that adamant, then fuck 'em, accept that some diseases won't be eradicated. In the meantime put in a system that instills more confidence in the vaccine that's on offer i.e. take brain scans, blood etc... before and compare to after should the need arise to revisit things. There's no compulsion towards helping the people in Africa either, but more die there from the one thing we just don't have enough of, food

. An irony being that the cost of the vaccines going into Africa would likely feed a fuckload more people than would have died from disease. Doh, there I go again with that engineered extreme shit lol.

We bear the cost of far more "stupid" things (like money as an example

)

We're resting on our laurels and accepting losses (and poverty n shit) instead of kicking our so called technological arses into high gear and finding out exactly why some people get measles and why some people don't etc... We have the tech. Yet it's better to use force or financial penalty in order to ensure compliance. Gah, such laziness

**Akzle** · 11th March 2015, 15:38

Originally Posted by mashman

heh... that it purposefully isn't is more my pov. It need not be so to the engineered extreme that it is.

I get it, I really do... but I also get the other side of the argument, for whatever reason, including the tfh position and if they're that adamant, then fuck 'em, accept that some diseases won't be eradicated. In the meantime put in a system that instills more confidence in the vaccine that's on offer i.e. take brain scans, blood etc... before and compare to after should the need arise to revisit things. There's no compulsion towards helping the people in Africa either, but more die there from the one thing we just don't have enough of, food

. An irony being that the cost of the vaccines going into Africa would likely feed a fuckload more people than would have died from disease. Doh, there I go again with that engineered extreme shit lol.

We bear the cost of far more "stupid" things (like money as an example

)

We're resting on our laurels and accepting losses (and poverty n shit) instead of kicking our so called technological arses into high gear and finding out exactly why some people get measles and why some people don't etc... We have the tech. Yet it's better to use force or financial penalty in order to ensure compliance. Gah, such laziness

rbjiafp .

**Ocean1** · 11th March 2015, 17:44

Originally Posted by mashman

So give back the healthcare element of taxation... that way you can have user pays... which is what you seem to want.

How about we don't charge them for the vaccination they weren't getting charged for in the first place.

Then we can charge them for the extended consequences of their stupidity.

**Akzle** · 11th March 2015, 18:15

Originally Posted by Ocean1

How about we don't charge them for the vaccination they weren't getting charged for in the first place.

Then we can charge them for the extended consequences of their stupidity.

oh shit's free now??

Tell me more mass'a, i's'a love free shit.

('if its too good to be true...')

**mashman** · 11th March 2015, 18:16

Originally Posted by Ocean1

How about we don't charge them for the vaccination they weren't getting charged for in the first place.

Then we can charge them for the extended consequences of their stupidity.

I thought they had already been charged for it, ya know, with that tax stuff?

You need a whambulance don't you? or perhaps a hug?

**yokel** · 11th March 2015, 18:59

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

A threat? Which ones is the threat? The factual statement that a .308 bullet to the base of your skull will kill you or the possibly implied threat to tell your mother where you really are?

if you take that .308 bullet to your head you can tell my mother whatever you like.

both my olds have been vaccinated for polio(scar on the shoulder), both have had cancer no family history no smoking blah blah so being vaccinated did it! haha.

but according to the "heath experts" getting cancer comes down to bad luck. WHAT?????

but if you think getting routinely injected with additives and preservatives is a good idea then you keep doing that.
you will actuality be helping your tolerance to being exposed to other chemicals and the like.