Global warming?

**Jantar** · 12th March 2015, 12:23

Originally Posted by yokel

"humans contribute 3% or 4% of TOTAL emissions of the earth" that sounds way to high to me,.....

You would be correct.

"Several recent studies have highlighted the possibility that the oceans and terrestrial ecosystems have started loosing part of their ability to sequester a large proportion of the anthropogenic CO2 emissions. This is an important claim, because so far only about 40% of those emissions have stayed in the atmosphere, which has prevented additional climate change. This study re-examines the available atmospheric CO2 and emissions data including their uncertainties. It is shown that with those uncertainties, the trend in the airborne fraction since 1850 has been 0.7 ± 1.4% per decade, i.e. close to and not significantly different from zero. The analysis further shows that the statistical model of a constant airborne fraction agrees best with the available data if emissions from land use change are scaled down to 82% or less of their original estimates. Despite the predictions of coupled climate-carbon cycle models, no trend in the airborne fraction can be found." Knorr, W. (2009), Is the airborne fraction of anthropogenic CO2 emissions increasing? Geophys. Res. Lett., 36, L21710.

**george formby** · 12th March 2015, 22:48

Originally Posted by SPman

Start pumping extra into the system - even if it seems like not a lot in the global scheme of things, and the scales start to tilt.
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Bugger, deleted the equilibrium bit.
Any hoo. It strikes me that deforestation, desertification, concrete jungles, mono cultures, pillaging the oceans and much more must have a consequence, not just the consequences of pollution & emissions in the atmosphere
We are making our home dirtier and getting rid of the cleaners.

**oldrider** · 13th March 2015, 11:33

Simply a contribution:http://drsircus.com/world-news/this-...eid=783acdf144

**Ocean1** · 13th March 2015, 12:38

Originally Posted by george formby

Any hoo. It strikes me that deforestation...

http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wil...s-ago-its-true

I find the compensation required to offset the effect reporting almost exclusively bad news has (especially the misanthropic fetishist variety) is very nearly absolute.

A balanced view nowadays is best represented by completely ignoring bad news, it's almost always bullshit.

**flyingcrocodile46** · 13th March 2015, 17:30

The truth about the climate science lies

If you want credible news and evidence about the climate change we are experiencing, watch this. Or you can continue to eat up the IPCC and UN money driven propaganda lies.

Our climate is controlled by our sun. Climate change is occurring on all planets in our solar system. See why and how here.

https://youtu.be/4Ew05sRDAcU

**SPman** · 16th March 2015, 19:02

Originally Posted by flyingcrocodile46

The truth about the climate science lies

If you want credible news and evidence about the climate change we are experiencing, watch this. Or you can continue to eat up the IPCC and UN money driven propaganda lies.

Our climate is controlled by our sun. Climate change is occurring on all planets in our solar system. See why and how here.

https://youtu.be/4Ew05sRDAcU

A volcano under The Antarctic causing the ice to melt? Where did he pluck that gem from.

Our climate is controlled by our sun.

To a certain degree, yes. However, the effects the sun has on climate..sunspot cycles, Milankovitch cycles ( http://ossfoundation.us/projects/env...kovitch-cycles ), etc, are well understood and allowed for by reputable climatologists. Their general conclusion is that "Since the beginning of the industrial age, humankind has caused such a dramatic departure from the natural cycle, that it is hard to imagine anyone thinking that we are still in the natural cycle."

But....people don't believe any of it.....frankly.....I no longer give a toss! People are free to believe what they will - it's fascinating watching what lengths they go to, to justify their beliefs. It's just like creationists vs evolutionists............

**carbonhed** · 16th March 2015, 19:42

Originally Posted by SPman

A volcano under The Antarctic causing the ice to melt? Where did he pluck that gem from.

He's right. The West Antarctic ice sheet is being destabilised by geothermal heat. Make that palm a fist.

http://www.utexas.edu/news/2014/06/1...acier-melting/

**yokel** · 16th March 2015, 19:43

Originally Posted by SPman

A volcano under The Antarctic causing the ice to melt? Where did he pluck that gem from.

To a certain degree, yes. However, the effects the sun has on climate..sunspot cycles, Milankovitch cycles ( http://ossfoundation.us/projects/env...kovitch-cycles ), etc, are well understood and allowed for by reputable climatologists. Their general conclusion is that "Since the beginning of the industrial age, humankind has caused such a dramatic departure from the natural cycle, that it is hard to imagine anyone thinking that we are still in the natural cycle."

But....people don't believe any of it.....frankly.....I no longer give a toss! People are free to believe what they will - it's fascinating watching what lengths they go to, to justify their beliefs. It's just like creationists vs evolutionists............

This whole global warming/ climate change nonsense really shows how science is fundamentally flawed, I now rate scientist up there with religious nut jobs. https://youtu.be/C35pasCr6KI?t=8m54s

Science is currently corrupted, pretty much all human activity produces CO2 so a tax on CO2 is a tax on ALL human activity.

and burning fossil fuel is actually GOOD for the environment and the rain forests, so me having two V8's is beneficial for the environment haha.

**Voltaire** · 16th March 2015, 19:49

Originally Posted by yokel

This whole global warming/ climate change nonsense really shows how science is fundamentally flawed, I now rate threads on rant and rave up there with religious nut jobs.

Fixed that for ya ( in colour to make it easier)

**yokel** · 16th March 2015, 20:12

Originally Posted by Voltaire

Fixed that for ya ( in colour because I'm a homosexual )

Fixed that for ya lols

**Voltaire** · 16th March 2015, 20:15

Originally Posted by yokel

Fixed that for ya lols

Probably about the only thing you could fix

**yokel** · 16th March 2015, 20:21

Originally Posted by Voltaire

Probably about the only thing you could fix

well I have used a conspiracy theory tinfoil hat youtube vid to help me do the valve clearances on my sr2 monster, so that's at lest two things.

**Voltaire** · 17th March 2015, 06:13

Originally Posted by yokel

well I have used a conspiracy theory tinfoil hat youtube vid to help me do the valve clearances on my sr2 monster, so that's at lest two things.

All twin cylinder Ducatis have Desmos.....or do they...how can you be sure....

**SPman** · 19th March 2015, 02:00

Originally Posted by carbonhed

He's right. The West Antarctic ice sheet is being destabilised by geothermal heat. Make that palm a fist.

http://www.utexas.edu/news/2014/06/1...acier-melting/

No, the Thwaites glacier in West Antarctica looks like it's being destabilised by geothermal heat. Interesting and quite probable
According to his findings, the minimum average geothermal heat flow beneath Thwaites Glacier is about 100 milliwatts per square meter, with hotspots over 200 milliwatts per square meter. For comparison, the average heat flow of the Earth’s continents is less than 65 milliwatts per square meter.

As a commenter remarked - Note that human caused CO2 forcing is much more, about 1,500 milliwatts per square meter.
I read an article about the heating of the continent beneath the 2mi. thick glaciers above. It said that the melting of the ice above has exerted less pressure on the continent and has caused the land to begin to rise. The rising of the land has caused fissions and releasing the heat below.

The Thwaites glacier, though large, isn't the only ice sheet melting from below. The Totten glacier in East Antarctica, is also melting from below...as is the ice sheet all over

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/03/16/the-melting-of-antarctica-was-already-really-bad-it-just-got-
worse/?postshare=1131426548561540

Originally Posted by Yokel

This whole global warming/ climate change nonsense really shows how science is fundamentally flawed, I now rate scientist up there with religious nut jobs. https://youtu.be/C35pasCr6KI?t=8m54s

Science is currently corrupted, pretty much all human activity produces CO2 so a tax on CO2 is a tax on ALL human activity.

and burning fossil fuel is actually GOOD for the environment and the rain forests, so me having two V8's is beneficial for the environment haha

Yeah....whatever......