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For diesel it is, not for petrol (ie, that class we are talking about which subsidies trucking). Maximums and portions thereof are irrelevant to the point of whether one class subsidies another. How much would that bill be for 40T?Originally Posted by R650R
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The flip side here is that in a country like NZ, you wouldn't get as many trucks clogging the open road - although that could be fixed if we had a proper motorway system
Terrain - Well if they can make Rail work in/through the European alps, then I am sure they COULD make it work here - although Earthquakes would be a major concern. Economy; this is where I think Rail in NZ struggles - we don't have the population density to support the 'Build it and they will come' mentality - but if we had a reliable, competitively priced high speed network between the major population centres - could it work? I believe so - it would however require us to rip out the existing Toy Gauge track and put in a proper rail network - just think Auckland to Wellington in 3 hours - through some of the best scenary in the world (Bypass Ngaruwahia and Hamilton) And it would get tourists whose only option is to drive long distance off the road - so Win Win!
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I wonder how much they can claim back on tax, for running expenses? (our resident accountants might enlighten us?)
At least they don't get stung for fringe benefit tax, for running a car. I can see why more "business types" have moved into a road-whale though.
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Are you saying the back yards of Ngaruwahia and Hamilton are not worthy of being called 'scenery'???
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Turkeys in the management area is not exclusive to Rail... the biggest obstacle to planning and regular schedules of anything is actually the clients. There may be unforeseen manufacturing delays for a variety of reasons of someone plain forgets to order something and suddenly everything is urgent or late. The flow on effect from this is the pool of freight on any given night becomes tidal, its quite hard to manage from night to the next just how many trucks are needed. Extrapolate this to multiple railheads and suddenly a lot of surplus capacity is needed to garuntee service.
The biggest change needed would be for consumers to accept goods will take a week to arrive instead of overnight, that when their car goes in for a service its off the road for a week instead of days waiting for parts etc...
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i work for the railways as one of their engineers, kiwiwrail's freight is in a great place and pulls a steady profit, literally. The passenger side of things drags everything else into debt and hasn't made money in a very very long time.
Freight needs to be privately run and owned imo and the goverment can just continue to babysit the passenger service.
You also can't have rail freight without road freight, its just not viable. And our fleet is totally shit.
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Back in 2010 it was said the only passenger service making profit was India's, where people pack on anywhere they can incl on roof & out the sides... Passenger rail just doesn't make the cash moneys
Infact the guys I know who work for Kiwirail say we'd lose less money if we didn't charge people to ride, the tickets are merely there as "crowd control"
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I disagree, rail is more suited to increases in bulk transport than road, just attach another freight car; same schedule. Insinuating that the best rail could do is a week for car parts is just bullshit.
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Actually whilst i agree with you it is in fact true that they cant' shift gear fast enough.
It's not because they cant it's because they just won't or don't know how to.
Mainly a service issue to be fair. It is quite possible i'm sure but they just don't seem to be able to manage it.
My belief is that rail is a very good mover of 'bulk' freight and very efficient at it too. Pricing is good and they productivity of the actual movement is good also. Many road transport companies use them and price jobs accordingly to use them as NOT over night services but for slow moving items. It works just fine that way. We probably need both rail and road to be efficient at all aspects of shifting freight.
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Yeh, and I think in this case it is egg/chicken stuff, to make the changes would cost a lot, and hard to justify without earning a lot from it; but until it could prove itself it would not get much new freight.
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The rail fleet or road fleet is shit?
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This actually becomes a moot point, for if all the RUC collected would actually be spent on roading we'd have far better roads than we do now. Blame the consolidated fund...
RUCs on light vehicles are a moot point, for the tax take from petrol is much of a muchness compared to the diesel version and RUCs. Be better if both fuels were taxed though, for driving consumption down would have positive flow on effects.
My daily driver is a 50 tonne unit on 9 axles and it's at around $0.58 per km, or $580 per 1000 km. We're doing about 250,000 km per year, and there's plenty of big rigs that do this type of mileage, so how can one figure the transport industry is being subsidised on this topic? Include the RUC for the tradies diesel runabout and the overall running cost is much the same as if he was running a petrol version...so I'm puzzled how one can make the assertion that light diesel vehicles provide a subsidy to the larger ones...the numbers don't stack up??
Having just got back from an unplanned trip to the US for a funeral, the sight of stack trains stays with me, never a practical solution for NZ of course...but that's a pretty serious way to move bulk numbers of boxes.
Road vs rail will be mired in the discussion pits as long as one lobby is better connected than the other I'd say. And then the protests about Auckland Ports wanting to extend the wharf a little, I'm guessing Joe Public has a segment that's way out of touch with any reality
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Don't know enough about the road fleet, the freight rail is bad though, the new cheap chinese loco's are prone to breakdowns and the carriges we use are getting a bit knackered, we also left it to head office to get new carriges and they got the wrong size, no shit.
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well, the engines are german....
Even if they dont fit in the locos
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Haha yeah i'm boggled as to how they managed to fuck these up, don't even mention the asbestos.
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