Yet another ATGATT thread

[samgab]

(I haven't seen any trousers with vents).

I've seen a few:

[Berries]

Bikers lecturing others about ATGATT is exactly the same as non-bikers lecturing us about the dangers of biking. Both have a point, but ultimately they can both fuck off and stick their points up their arses.

Amen sister.

[RDJ]

The ER taught me very early in my medical career that the m/c riders who wore less gear, had longer painful stays. So I ride with a lot of gear (including Death Valley twice over the years - yeah, hot, but (a) vented mesh gear and (b) hydration). If others choose not to, the point is they have the Choice.

The trouble with lecturing about gear and other m/c risks is that the logical result of risk minimization is next, forcible and enforced Gearing-Up. Then, next, Them taking us off the road and confining us in cars. Then, driverless cars. Next, subways and trains, by safety-Nazi decree. I.e., no Choice.

[unstuck]

At least it shows you care, and have human emotions under your gang patch.

You did not delete the thread, and were prepared to cop() the flak, and stood by your decision. Respect

The daughter may have learned something from the encounter that the father failed to hear.

KB is full of people so serious about life that I think the real drain on our health resources would be from people getting ulcers and other stress related illness, not motorcycle injuries.

[RDJ]

At least it shows you care, and have human emotions under your gang patch.

You did not delete the thread, and were prepared to cop() the flak, and stood by your decision. Respect

The daughter may have learned something from the encounter that the father failed to hear.

KB is full of people so serious about life that I think the real drain on our health resources would be from people getting ulcers and other stress related illness, not motorcycle injuries.

The major drain on health resources is (always has been) illness not injury...

[Dogboy900]

Good on ya RC I cringe when I see shit like that. A friendly chat might get the message through and he obviously was not in a hurry to get somewhere.

[p.dath]

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Left the motorway at Kaiapoi, and who passed me on overbridge at the top of the the offramp but a plonker on a Harley. Helmet, t-shirt, shorts, trainers. What's worse, his 14 year old daughter was on the pillion pad, dressed similarly.

Apparently it was okay, as he'd just washed the bike (it was spotless) and he was only just drying it out. He wasn't out on a "real" ride.

I gave him the "You make my ACC levies so high" speech, but really, I felt like beating him with a frozen fish. Honestly, what makes us think we are so fecking bulletproof.
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I find this very conflicting. I'm a fan of ATGATT and you especially wouldn't catch me with any of my children out on the bike in a T-Shirt and Shorts.

It is also obvious that someone having an accident in T-Shirt and shorts is going to come off much worse than someone wearing ATGATT. It is also obvious that those people having more serious accidents will cost ACC more to "put right".



The conflict is that we live in a free country. And that means other people have the freedom to wear what they feel is appropriate protective clothing, as I also do. If you want to tell someone they can't do something because it is too dangerous very soon you'll simply ban motorcycling all together.

[oldrider]

If you want to tell someone they can't do something because it is too dangerous very soon you'll simply ban motorcycling all together.

FFS - - shush!

Don't encourage the bastards -

There are too many of those pricks lurking in shadows and if they think someone is listening they will try to start a plague!

[unstuck]

The conflict is that we live in a free country.

If you mean free as in living by THEIR rules, then yes I suppose we are.

[willytheekid]

At least it shows you care, and have human emotions under your gang patch.

You did not delete the thread, and were prepared to cop() the flak, and stood by your decision. Respect

The daughter may have learned something from the encounter that the father failed to hear.

KB is full of people so serious about life that I think the real drain on our health resources would be from people getting ulcers and other stress related illness, not motorcycle injuries.

+1 Fuckin on ya mate!


...I always thought parents were meant to do everything possible to keep there kids safe...or have most on here failed to spot the 6yr old child in the equation? (To caught up in there furvour to attack another KBer, instead of discuss the matter...some real fucking nice KB spirit right there)


Adults can make there own choices!...you wanna wear jeans, arseless chaps or a lycra body suit!, its your body!, your blood!, your call!...but KIDS!...kids need to start in the safe zone, wearing as much life/skin saving gear as possible!, until they too can make there own informed decisions about there own safety.

So personally, I think Rastuscat did a good thing stopping a middle age rider on a harley, wearing no safety gear, and transporting a child with no safety gear on a public highway, to have a wee chat to ensure he was not putting himself and a child at risk (Imagine he didn't!...and something terrible happened...how would feel knowing you saw them, had concerns...and did nothing!...it would fucking wreak you to see that kid hurt or killed)

So again to clarify...a "Middle aged man"...."Riding a new lookin harley"...hmmmm, now wot do the ACC stats say about middle age return riders on big/powerful bikes ....hmmmm...."a CHILD on the back wearing no gear"....hmmmm



Do you lot really need a crayon fucking drawing to spot the obvious safety concern he had and acted on?...ffs

[swbarnett]

http://www.motomail.co.nz/estore/sty...airwavest.aspx

HTH

Indeed, thanks.

Every time I've been in the market I couldn't find anything like this. Mind you it always seems to be in Winter when I'm looking for something warm anyway.

[swbarnett]

Bikers lecturing others about ATGATT is exactly the same as non-bikers lecturing us about the dangers of biking. Both have a point, but ultimately they can both fuck off and stick their points up their arses.

Well said except that I don't believe "Both have a point". Most non-bikers don't know anything about bikes or the riding thereof.

[swbarnett]

...I always thought parents were meant to do everything possible to keep there kids safe

Wrong. The job of a parent is to raise their child in a way that prepares them for adult life. This is not possible if parents do "do everything possible to keep there kids safe".

Adults can make there own choices!...you wanna wear jeans, arseless chaps or a lycra body suit!, its your body!, your blood!, your call!...but KIDS!...kids need to start in the safe zone, wearing as much life/skin saving gear as possible!, until they too can make there own informed decisions about there own safety.

At the same time it is a parent's job to teach their kids according to their own philosophy.

So personally, I think Rastuscat did a good thing stopping a middle age rider on a harley, wearing no safety gear, and transporting a child with no safety gear on a public highway, to have a wee chat to ensure he was not putting himself and a child at risk (Imagine he didn't!...and something terrible happened...how would feel knowing you saw them, had concerns...and did nothing!...it would fucking wreak you to see that kid hurt or killed)

Would you say the same thing if a car cop pulled over every "fully dressed" biker and gave them a lecture on the evils of motorcycles? This is no different.

[awa355]

Rastuscat did the right thing. A year or two ago, a goon on a big MX bike was tearing around the block for quite some time. Wore a singlet, jandals no helmet. His call, his lookout. What got me phoning the police was the 2 year old (about) sitting on the tank, being held there by the drongos left arm. Another concerned local also called the police. They actually came, they knew who the idiot was going from our description. Took a statement later. I dont know what the outcome was.

[Gremlin]

They can be one in the same. Ride across Death Valley in full race leathers and see how long you last before passing out from heat stroke. Some of us don't react well to heat (even Auckland summers can be a problem).

Haven't worn full leather in years, but I rode across Death Valley (temperature peaking at 53C, and 49+ for an hour+) in full cordura gear, flip front helmet (down), gloves, boots etc.

Those in the group that went to vests for the hot days were the ones suffering from dehydration due to the exposed skin...