Kiwibiker on TV1 SCU?

**The End** · 20th May 2015, 08:19

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

Was sad to watch - made sadder by it seemed that the crash was a classic case panic front brake, run wide on the corner, and then target fixation

I think the car driver milked it a bit towards the end; she (and the narrator) was aggressive about why the rider wasn't doing the recommended 55 km/h speed limit for the corner, despite it otherwise being a higher speed limit. We all know we (and car drivers too) ride/drive faster than the recommended speed limit for corners as they have a very low speed recommendation anyway.

IMO, if the driver is affected to the point of having mental breakdowns on the side of the road when driving, she should NOT be driving until she has overcome those mental health issues. I am not discrediting her pain (physical or emotional) but rather stating that in that condition, she is likely to cause an accident through lack of attention to the road at present.

I've seen two episodes of this show, and while I appreciate the fact-finding mentality of the investigators/officers, they seem to try everything they can to find evidence to put it on the rider - ie: last week a bloke on a 400cc bike in 5th gear in a 50km/h zone - "He must have been speeding to be in 5th gear" or tonight the investigators going on about the wrong registration/name for the bike.

**Katman** · 20th May 2015, 09:01

I see Gremlin's done his little cleaning mission.

**TheDemonLord** · 20th May 2015, 09:15

Originally Posted by The End

I think the car driver milked it a bit towards the end; she (and the narrator) was aggressive about why the rider wasn't doing the recommended 55 km/h speed limit for the corner, despite it otherwise being a higher speed limit. We all know we (and car drivers too) ride/drive faster than the recommended speed limit for corners as they have a very low speed recommendation anyway.

IMO, if the driver is affected to the point of having mental breakdowns on the side of the road when driving, she should NOT be driving until she has overcome those mental health issues. I am not discrediting her pain (physical or emotional) but rather stating that in that condition, she is likely to cause an accident through lack of attention to the road at present.

I've seen two episodes of this show, and while I appreciate the fact-finding mentality of the investigators/officers, they seem to try everything they can to find evidence to put it on the rider - ie: last week a bloke on a 400cc bike in 5th gear in a 50km/h zone - "He must have been speeding to be in 5th gear" or tonight the investigators going on about the wrong registration/name for the bike.

I agree on many of those points.

**Zedder** · 20th May 2015, 09:17

Originally Posted by Katman

I see Gremlin's done his little cleaning mission.

Which brings me to the question on grounds for "cleaning". What are the criteria these days? Apart from the off topic one of course.

**Katman** · 20th May 2015, 09:18

Originally Posted by Zedder

Which brings me to the question on grounds for "cleaning". What are the criteria these days?

It all depends what mood Gremlin is in.

And interestingly enough, the posts that have gone seem to have completely vanished. Not even PDed.

**Maha** · 20th May 2015, 09:24

Originally Posted by The End

My only issue with this theory was wouldn't the forward momentum of the motorcycle push the side stand back up? Even if the spring on the stand caused the stand to drop down, it should just freely drag along the road rather than lock in a forward facing position and dig in?

Agree, would only dig in if it miraculously sprung forward/locked and thus, stalling the motor.....it could happen

The bike hit the car upright and was on the wrong side of the road, it was an accident and the rider/bike was at fault, not the car/driver.

NB: No Sharry (Sharon) I was not there, but the SCU was.
NBB: Rider plead guilty to careless driving.

**Zedder** · 20th May 2015, 09:32

Originally Posted by Katman

It all depends what mood Gremlin is in.

And interestingly enough, the posts that have gone seem to have completely vanished. Not even PDed.

Yep, it appears to be mood centered. And not just for Gremlin. Although, some Mods appear to be stricter on personal abuse etc than others.

**Katman** · 20th May 2015, 09:34

The sidestand theory seemed like nothing more than an exercise in blame shifting.

Perhaps nzspokes can explain whether he really believed his theory or not.

**caspernz** · 20th May 2015, 09:41

The way the program sums up the sequence of events it's hard to argue with the police summation of rider error.

**nodrog:Me** · 20th May 2015, 10:14

I like the way a brand-new bmw handles like 20 year old honda.

**sidecar bob** · 20th May 2015, 10:28

Originally Posted by The End

I think the car driver milked it a bit towards the end; she (and the narrator) was aggressive about why the rider wasn't doing the recommended 55 km/h speed limit for the corner, despite it otherwise being a higher speed limit. We all know we (and car drivers too) ride/drive faster than the recommended speed limit for corners as they have a very low speed recommendation anyway.

IMO, if the driver is affected to the point of having mental breakdowns on the side of the road when driving, she should NOT be driving until she has overcome those mental health issues. I am not discrediting her pain (physical or emotional) but rather stating that in that condition, she is likely to cause an accident through lack of attention to the road at present.

I've seen two episodes of this show, and while I appreciate the fact-finding mentality of the investigators/officers, they seem to try everything they can to find evidence to put it on the rider - ie: last week a bloke on a 400cc bike in 5th gear in a 50km/h zone - "He must have been speeding to be in 5th gear" or tonight the investigators going on about the wrong registration/name for the bike.

Typical Maori milking the fake trauma & being wronged by a pakeha for all its worth. Im sure sure a cash hand out from ACC or from any other hole in the govt purse will make it all better.

**sidecar bob** · 20th May 2015, 10:33

Originally Posted by nodrog

I like the way a brand-new bmw handles like 20 year old honda.

Its a one size fits all system. Their skid to stop calculations are also a based on fixed maths. Apparently all tyres have tha same grip.
Id hate to sound presumptuous, but within five minutes of the programme starting I had worked out what had happened & why.

**buggerit** · 20th May 2015, 10:36

Ive ridden that road a fair bit, and my view of that corner is, travelling in the direction the car was, there is nothing unusual about the
corner, but travelling in the direction the bike was there is a combination of factors at play.
1. The opposite side of the road in the corner has a wide sealed area outside of the opposite lane that tends to give u the feeling that
the vanishing point is further away than it actually is, perhaps the downhill approach compounds the allusion?
2. the inside of the corner radius curves about right for u to believe the misconception of the vanishing point, then just squares off sharply
inline with the next straight.

my 2 cents

**nodrog:Me** · 20th May 2015, 10:40

Originally Posted by sidecar bob

Typical Maori milking the fake trauma & being wronged by a pakeha for all its worth. Im sure sure a cash hand out from ACC or from any other hole in the govt purse will make it all better.

The politically correct term is Taniwha Tax.

Originally Posted by sidecar bob

Its a one size fits all system. Their skid to stop calculations are also a based on fixed maths. Apparently all tyres have tha same grip.

Sweet I'll inform the superbike riders. They should save some money, and Maybe it will stop them asking for 10 Warmup laps at the nationals.