The fascist regime that made you a moron: Thanks dJonkey

[Brian d marge]

Not seeing any reason to dislike zionists. Actually I found a few similarities with the ideals you and mashy promote...

Ok . . Your call on zion.

As for the similarity

We disagree about the units of trade





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[husaberg]

Hello sailor

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[Oscar]

So where is the Oldtwat?

So why don't you answer the question?



So which bits of history aren't true then?

The diaspora?
The pogroms?
The Moors in Granada?
The First Crusade?
The Second Crusade?
Edward I of England?
"Zionology" in Soviet Russia?
The Final Solution?

You see, if you can't prove that ALL of these historical events (and others) didn't happen, then antisemitism isn't a myth.
And that makes you (surprise, surprise) a liar.
Imagine that....

[husaberg]

So where is the Oldtwat?

He's avoiding this one as well.

It could be a while, its might be pensioner night down at the aryan brotherhood

All dependent upon protection by the myth of anti-Semitism :

The myth of anti Semitism?. I would like an explanation of this comment Oldie, is it just a myth were Jews and other religions ever striped of nationality or persecuted or prevented from owning land or had all there assets seized. Was this all really just a myth?

Seems they were treated pretty much like we here in NZ treated the Chinese in the goldrush.
There is also strong parallels with how the Australian aborigines were also treated.
The treatment of the American Indians seems eerily similar also.
This is not even comparing the treatment of the Black South Africans.
Or the white Zimbabwean's or the native Zimbabwean's a hundred or so years prior to this.

Still waiting.............................you have had many (9) pages now to come up with your reasoning for this comment oldie.

[TheDemonLord]

Okay, lets just forgo the fact that you have cited no sources - you have actually managed to give a reason for doubting - lets explore this reason

but there are too many " hang on a minutes "

A simple question ( I don't care either way Just for the record , ) ....where did the figure 6 million come from? and my uncle died last month here in Japan. He was cremated using the latest equipment ,,,, that took 20 min .... one body .....

you do the maths ....something aint right

So the first thing is to determine where the 6 Million figure came from - a note to add is that most historians agree that there is a 10% margin for error in the figures - but doing a little reading (as you frequently request others to do)

The first source is Wilhelm Hottl who in the Nuremburg trails made the statement:

Approximately 4,000,000 Jews had been killed in the various concentration camps, while an additional 2,000,000 met death in other ways, the major part of whom were shot by operational squads of the Security Police during the campaign against Russia

(Source: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/12-14-45.asp)

However, that is only 1 persons word, so lets see what other evidence we can drum up

Next up, we have the fact that the Germans were ones for corrupt process and documentation and so they left behind rather detailed records of everything they did - this was used by an Author:

Lucy Dawidowicz, in her “The War Against the Jews” (1975), used prewar birth and death records to come up with a more precise figure of 5,933,900. And one of the more authoritative German scholars of the subject, Wolfgang Benz, offered a range of 5.3 to 6.2 million. Each used his or her own method to arrive at the totals.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_Against_the_Jews

However since that is written by a Jew, I am sure you will dismiss it out of turn, so lets find something else:

German historian Wolfgang Benz:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Benz

Used the same method as Lucy - comparing the Government Archive records and came to a figure of 5.29-6.2 Million

Here is a link to the Reference book http://www.amazon.com/The-Holocaust-.../dp/0231112157

So your first point has been dealt with - 3 separate pieces of evidence all supporting the claim of about 6 million. You will note that since I have made a positive claim, I have backed up each of my claims with a relevant link to that claim as supporting evidence. As opposed to smugly telling you to go educate yourself.

Next we have your comment about cremation times and the number dead - well there are 3 Glaring Fallacies with this arguement.

1: The assumption that all Holocaust victims were cremated

I think this:



and this:



and this:



proves my point that the Nazis used various methods - of which Cremation was just one.

Next we can compare the story about your uncle vs the scenario of the Holocaust:

1: I am assuming your Uncle was not malnourished as the victims of the Holocaust were - I believe the term 'walking skeletons' was used by several of the Allied soldiers, so it Stands to reason that someone who is well fed and not emaciated will take longer to burn than someone who isn't well fed - simply because there is more of them to burn

2: When I saw a cremation - I notice that the oven wasn't on - the flames only go to full power when the door is closed....

Have you ever baked a pie in the oven? if you turn the oven on from cold it takes about 40 minutes to an hour to cook, but if the Oven is pre-heated, only about 20 minutes. If you consider that the Ovens at the Concentration camps were working 24/7, they would never cool down and so placing a body into an already hot oven would significantly speed up the process.

3: Was your Uncle cremated in a Coffin? or did they just throw his corpse into the oven?

I'm willing to bet it was the latter - so a 45-135 Kg worth of Coffin Material, not to mention the thermal barrier that a Coffin creates would also significantly change the Cremation time

(source for Coffin weight: http://www.donnachaidhinternational....-casket-weigh/ - converted Pounds to KG using google: https://www.google.com/search?q=100+...utf-8&oe=utf-8)

So.

Now that I have managed to answer all your questions and as you put it 'Done the maths' you will find that actually it IS right, and you will now be re-evaluating your baseless ideas (afterall, you haven't put up a single link to backup any of your claims).

[Ocean1]

Now that I have managed to answer all your questions and as you put it 'Done the maths' you will find that actually it IS right, and you will now be re-evaluating your baseless ideas.

You're new here, aincha?

[husaberg]

...........

You're new here, aincha?

Funny enough I used pretty much the same pics when Katman red repped me in reply with Hitler was right................

[husaberg]

...........

Funny enough I used pretty much the same pics when Katman red repped me in reply with Sounds like Hitler was pretty much right all along.................

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...post1130863286

[Brian d marge]

Okay, lets just forgo the fact that you have cited no sources - you have actually managed to give a reason for doubting - lets explore this reason



So the first thing is to determine where the 6 Million figure came from - a note to add is that most historians agree that there is a 10% margin for error in the figures - but doing a little reading (as you frequently request others to do)

The first source is Wilhelm Hottl who in the Nuremburg trails made the statement:



(Source: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/12-14-45.asp)

However, that is only 1 persons word, so lets see what other evidence we can drum up

Next up, we have the fact that the Germans were ones for corrupt process and documentation and so they left behind rather detailed records of everything they did - this was used by an Author:



Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_Against_the_Jews

However since that is written by a Jew, I am sure you will dismiss it out of turn, so lets find something else:

German historian Wolfgang Benz:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Benz

Used the same method as Lucy - comparing the Government Archive records and came to a figure of 5.29-6.2 Million

Here is a link to the Reference book http://www.amazon.com/The-Holocaust-.../dp/0231112157

So your first point has been dealt with - 3 separate pieces of evidence all supporting the claim of about 6 million. You will note that since I have made a positive claim, I have backed up each of my claims with a relevant link to that claim as supporting evidence. As opposed to smugly telling you to go educate yourself.

Next we have your comment about cremation times and the number dead - well there are 3 Glaring Fallacies with this arguement.

1: The assumption that all Holocaust victims were cremated

I think this:



and this:



and this:



proves my point that the Nazis used various methods - of which Cremation was just one.

Next we can compare the story about your uncle vs the scenario of the Holocaust:

1: I am assuming your Uncle was not malnourished as the victims of the Holocaust were - I believe the term 'walking skeletons' was used by several of the Allied soldiers, so it Stands to reason that someone who is well fed and not emaciated will take longer to burn than someone who isn't well fed - simply because there is more of them to burn

2: When I saw a cremation - I notice that the oven wasn't on - the flames only go to full power when the door is closed....

Have you ever baked a pie in the oven? if you turn the oven on from cold it takes about 40 minutes to an hour to cook, but if the Oven is pre-heated, only about 20 minutes. If you consider that the Ovens at the Concentration camps were working 24/7, they would never cool down and so placing a body into an already hot oven would significantly speed up the process.

3: Was your Uncle cremated in a Coffin? or did they just throw his corpse into the oven?

I'm willing to bet it was the latter - so a 45-135 Kg worth of Coffin Material, not to mention the thermal barrier that a Coffin creates would also significantly change the Cremation time

(source for Coffin weight: http://www.donnachaidhinternational....-casket-weigh/ - converted Pounds to KG using google: https://www.google.com/search?q=100+...utf-8&oe=utf-8)

So.

Now that I have managed to answer all your questions and as you put it 'Done the maths' you will find that actually it IS right, and you will now be re-evaluating your baseless ideas (afterall, you haven't put up a single link to backup any of your claims).

Good on ya

I will look at those points
And asothers know I WILL get back to u
But just on those photos Ive heard one suggestion that some of them were german dead

Still thanks for spending the time . .

Now I dont really care which way this goes my main concern is getting or at the very least asking the questions


But without spending the time . . Because right now im in a sushi bar

You quite rightly noticed
That the references you gave are jewish

And yes they the nazi did keep records but off top head there was a discrepancy with either the record or the use

But I ll look into it and reply in due course

Finally with a coffin an a walking skeleton . .he had cancer . .20 min

The war lasted 6 year that will give u a number of people



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[Brian d marge]

Funny enough I used pretty much the same pics when Katman red repped me in reply with Hitler was right................

Yes those are stock photos and the are some questions behind them

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[husaberg]

Yes those are stock photos and the are some questions behind them

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engerish Stephen?

How many remains do you need to see, how much testimony from those that were there, (from both sides) how many documents does it take to make it real enough?

[Brian d marge]

engerish Stephen?

How many remains do you need to see, how much testimony from those that were there, (from both sides) how many documents does it take to make it real enough?

Ive just been reading the post YOU posted in gene pool i think the thread was titled and was quoted earlier

What side you on willis

I dont care either way but i should quote your post as a good place to start to support my stance

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[bogan]

Ok . . Your call on zion.

As for the similarity

We disagree about the units of trade





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My call? It already was. But you said if I did some basic research I'd agree with you about them being bad mens. So what are your reasons for them being bad mens, is it just because they use a different unit of trade?

[Brian d marge]

My call? It already was. But you said if I did some basic research I'd agree with you about them being bad mens. So what are your reasons for them being bad mens, is it just because they use a different unit of trade?

Youre mixing things up
I disagree with mashman over units of trade

As for anything else you will find that out for your self when ya start readin

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[bogan]

Youre mixing things up
I disagree with mashman over units of trade

As for anything else you will find that out for your self when ya start readin

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Yet I have started reading (I had started well before you set me such a task) which is why I saw the similarities between zionism and what you blokes were going on about.

So I ask again, what are your reasons for them being bad mens? Or are you hopping on the cop out train of 'go away and do some research until you agree with me'