A crashed Bucket

[F5 Dave]

I don't remember this much bitching when 4 strokes went from 125 to 140cc
Or again to 150cc
Or again to 156 or 158 or whatever it is now
Perhaps selective memory about changing the rules? (Not that I think this rule change went well)

[mr bucketracer]

I don't remember this much bitching when 4 strokes went from 125 to 140cc
Or again to 150cc
Or again to 156 or 158 or whatever it is now
Perhaps selective memory about changing the rules? (Not that I think this rule change went well)

as there was a 125 aircooled 2 stroke added ? it worked well together , now a bike that won the gp that has around 85cc then a 2 stroke with 15cc less can have a turbo , what a joke , i know you still got to make it work but seen my mate got 150hp from a standard rz350 with a turbo it only takes somone that knows what there doing , why no lifed the cc 5cc across the board mybe more for the 4 stroke as it fair , i have some 50s i can't race because on max oversize

[Bert]

I vote sidecars get twice the capacity because two people. But only for me and Rick.

Not a bad idea... Maybe stop at 200cc fourstroke though.

I vote that all bikes + rider must have minimum combined weight of 200kg

Again, not a bad thought - I think 185 might be a better target.

[mr bucketracer]

Not a bad idea... Maybe stop at 200cc fourstroke though.




Again, not a bad thought - I think 185 might be a better target.

zxr250 fzr gsxr (-; you know that would sound cool

[TALLIS]

It does seem strange that, in auckland, already dominated at the top level by 2 strokes, that they still seem to want more advantages in engine development. Maybe the rule change was just to give some more fuel to the ese thread for another 1200 pages over and over....

[husaberg]

You have it all wrong (now why would that surprise me) 110cc water cooled is fantastic, no other motor in the class will stand a chance against ours.
Air cooled MB100's pfft, Derbi 80's , 150 four strokes

ESE 110cc water cooled game changer Game over

Really? I would think a game changer is 70cc and forced induction.
I don't see everyone up in arms about that?

I don't remember this much bitching when 4 strokes went from 125 to 140cc
Or again to 150cc
Or again to 156 or 158 or whatever it is now
Perhaps selective memory about changing the rules? (Not that I think this rule change went well)

Or when they disallowed alcohol fuel for 100 4t's or when they let in race camshafts springs and pistons for 4s.
but yeah a massive potential of 1-1.5 hp from an extra 6cc I can see why that would be very very scary.

[mr bucketracer]

It does seem strange that, in auckland, already dominated at the top level by 2 strokes, that they still seem to want more advantages in engine development. Maybe the rule change was just to give some more fuel to the ese thread for another 1200 pages over and over....

maybe they love there more torque and no do ways (-; lol

[TZ350]

It does seem strange that, in auckland, already dominated at the top level by 2 strokes, that they still seem to want more advantages in engine development. Maybe the rule change was just to give some more fuel to the ese thread for another 1200 pages over and over....

maybe they love there more torque and no do ways (-; lol

The 110cc thing did not come from us, in fact we opposed it, (we think a fairer thing would have been plus 10% all round) but now 110cc H2o is here we will exploit it and yes, when we do, you will be able to read all about it on the ESE thread.....

[kel]

It does seem strange that, in auckland, already dominated at the top level by 2 strokes, that they still seem to want more advantages in engine development. Maybe the rule change was just to give some more fuel to the ese thread for another 1200 pages over and over....

The increase to 100's was nothing do with the Aucklanders I spoke with, we opposed it as it was a piss take by lazy fuckers trying for a short cut advantage - BUT what the hell its all good, buckets will now be about reliable 30+hp go all day 110cc water coolers (highsiding their way around kart tracks near you). I already know of one of the top 4 stroke guys dumping his bike for a 2 stroke, you'd be stupid not to.

[richban]

The 110cc thing did not come from us, in fact we opposed it, (we think a fairer thing would have been plus 10% all round) but now 110cc H2o is here we will exploit it and yes, when we do, you will be able to read all about it on the ESE thread.....

Can I order a 110cc 30hp engine please Rob? My engine is buggered, so what the hell. ESE Spec class.

[speedpro]

A quick reminder - The current Mt Wgtn lap record holder, at least in one direction, is an aircooled 100cc bucket that makes about 23hp. The bucket in 2nd is <100cc watercooled and makes about 24hp. Certainly in Auckland, all the horsepower that the 100cc watercooled 2Ts "could" make has not been exploited and is not therefore an issue. Bumping them out 5cc is not going to make any difference at all. The potential is there, and Rob and I have come close to exploiting that potential, but I'm not expecting a fleet of 110cc watercooled buckets to be taking over later this year. Potentially a fleet of 105cc watercooled buckets could have done so already. It isn't that easy and there is more to it than just horsepower. i.e. - good luck getting past Dave and Nathaniel.

I'm going the 105+cc, eventually watercooled MB, plenum chamber intake, 24mm carb, route. I don't think it will end up making huge horsepower as I just can't be bothered going there, but the plenum if executed how I plan will be interesting.

[Yow Ling]

I only asked for 107cc, they give 110 but kept the 24mm thing. In 5 years when Im way older and probably given up racing somebody might say 110cc is good idea

[FastFred]

110cc is all very well and good but remember its all about a maximum re bore on a 100cc cylinder, it is the maximum capacity you are allowed to re bore to, its not a licence to buy a 110cc after market water cooled cylinder.

My take on it is that its a re bore allowance not a new cylinder allowance. If you have 110cc and you did not get it by re-boring your old cylinder then under the current rules I think you would be illegal.

[husaberg]

110cc is all very well and good but remember its all about a maximum re bore on a 100cc cylinder, it is the maximum capacity you are allowed to re bore to, its not a licence to buy a 110cc after market water cooled cylinder.

My take on it is that its a re bore allowance not a new cylinder allowance. If you have 110cc and you did not get it by re-boring your old cylinder then under the current rules I think you would be illegal.

Fred the 52mm pistons for the MB's and others was all about being able to access cheap pistons (Kt100)without de-stroking.
It also allows the likes of Bren to run a std NSR125 crank so its all good.
Has bren figured that out yet?

[F5 Dave]

I thought 107 would have been just fine with open carb & 3cc increase - big deal. We didn't get that, we got something else.