My first poll for the NZ public

[oldrider]

When the big drift North occurred I got a bit lost and drifted South - male female ratio suited my needs and I got married - been here ever since!

[Brian d marge]

Oh and NZ's first 'dry' bar opened a few weeks back, closed last weekend due to lack of patronage.

http://metro.co.uk/2015/08/10/new-ze...ed-up-5334958/

Silly silly people

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[bogan]

http://metro.co.uk/2015/08/10/new-ze...ed-up-5334958/

Silly silly people

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$15 cover seems a little steep.

[mashman]

"the next generation of social movements will be a hybrid between a social movement and a political party. " - Micah White.

Sounds like a smart fulla.

[Voltaire]

"the next generation of social movements will be a hybrid between a social movement and a political party. " - Micah White.

Sounds like a smart fulla.

Sort of like how Lenin started off, bit of rioting, bit of crowd pleasing, bit of overseas funding and viola.

I like the idea rather than the current system of Party Hacks getting to run the country by a process of boring meetings, and public apathy.

[Banditbandit]

"the next generation of social movements will be a hybrid between a social movement and a political party. " - Micah White.

Sounds like a smart fulla.

Sounds like pseudo-sociological bullshit ...

Currently social movements tend to morph into lobby groups, whch then tend to set up political parties ..

[mashman]

Sort of like how Lenin started off, bit of rioting, bit of crowd pleasing, bit of overseas funding and viola.

I like the idea rather than the current system of Party Hacks getting to run the country by a process of boring meetings, and public apathy.

Could be, don't really care too much for how they did things in the past coz it's a brave new world today.

heh, I doubt it'd be that much different in the short term as playing the system against itself means playing the system under the same rules. Which whilst a bugga, democracy could actually win in the end .

Sounds like pseudo-sociological bullshit ...

Currently social movements tend to morph into lobby groups, which then tend to set up political parties ..

lol... well him and his mate Kalle are the originators of Occupy and they have a realistic take on its effectiveness, so whilst it may look like bullshit, he seems to have touched upon something that people want.

I thought that was the point he was making?

[Ocean1]

Sort of like how Lenin started off, bit of rioting, bit of crowd pleasing, bit of overseas funding and viola.

I like the idea rather than the current system of Party Hacks getting to run the country by a process of boring meetings, and public apathy.

But... apathy is a resource, innit?

[oldrider]

lol... well him and his mate Kalle are the originators of Occupy and they have a realistic take on its effectiveness, so whilst it may look like bullshit, he seems to have touched upon something that people want.

Well they were claiming to represent the 99% - sounds like a majority to me - but was that a true claim? - it appears they got the 1% right!

[mashman]

But... apathy is a resource, innit?

Yes it is... and it comes with a fuckload of population control methods and mechanisms too, all of which can be used for the power of good for a change.

[mashman]

Well they were claiming to represent the 99% - sounds like a majority to me - but was that a true claim? - it appears they got the 1% right!

heh, it was a catchy slogan and it gave birth to some stunning enterprises that help mercans from debt write-offs to reclaiming houses to disaster relief etc... something awoke a few anyway.

[oldrider]

heh, it was a catchy slogan and it gave birth to some stunning enterprises that help mercans from debt write-offs to reclaiming houses to disaster relief etc... something awoke a few anyway.

There are lots of people calling for an awakening but nobody seems to ever listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv8XB3qE8JM - (at least worth a listen).

Listening is for free and while we can still decide for ourselves what is true - it can be fun! - The alternative to free thinking might be closer than we know?

That old 1% just keeps on keeping on popping up everywhere - little changes here and there but the core theme remains true - need greed and control.

The other 99% of us just keep on complaining and passively resisting and generally doing exactly what the 1% want us to do = nothing! A perfect plan indeed!

[mashman]

There are lots of people calling for an awakening but nobody seems to ever listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv8XB3qE8JM - (at least worth a listen).

Listening is for free and while we can still decide for ourselves what is true - it can be fun! - The alternative to free thinking might be closer than we know?

That old 1% just keeps on keeping on popping up everywhere - little changes here and there but the core theme remains true - need greed and control.

The other 99% of us just keep on complaining and passively resisting and generally doing exactly what the 1% want us to do = nothing! A perfect plan indeed!

All very disappointingly true... yet that people are ready and calling for some form change means that all they need is something that offers that change. I know, yes know, that they're waiting for a Resource Based Economy whether they know it or not yet. I know this, because I've been waiting too with similar aspirations and hesitations... and NOW, heh, that I know, it's time to pass it on . Time to find out for sure

[Voltaire]

But... apathy is a resource, innit?

It probably the greatest resource for politics.
I remember being at a stop work meeting once in Sydney and the Union Delegate waffled on and on and on till a lot of the workers got bored and went home/to the pub and then held the vote which the hard core passed.

Unlike Mashmash I don't see any radical social change on the horizon, usually need a large war for that.

[mashman]

Unlike Mashmash I don't see any radical social change on the horizon, usually need a large war for that.

Jeremy Corbyn romping to Labour leadership victory, says new poll

"The latest signs of a serious challenge by Mr Corbyn came after Tony Blair's former spin doctor Alastair Campbell warned victory for the one-time rank outsider would be a "car crash"."