First Aid kit and training?

[george formby]

Spoke at length about helmets. Only remove for a restricted airway. Apart from that the head is in a cumfy splint.

If its an airway issue they you have to get that helmet off and do something about it now. If not you have to have the "Im sorry for your loss" conversation with the riders mates.

I noticed in the Dr John Hind vid that he carried a wire saw to cut the chin guard off a helmet, piano wire kind of thing.

[nzspokes]

All you need for first aid is a cellphone. Most will tell you your location (if you don't know where you are) and allow you to ring 111.

You do know a cell phone does not work everywhere?

[Gremlin]

Cellphone with an epirb app.

Go one better, carry an actual EPIRB, which has more chance of getting a signal out.

[awa355]

You do know a cell phone does not work everywhere?

Agree, 90% of NZ, a heavy bleeder will die before an ambulance can get there if nothing is done. A cell phone isn't much use for stemming a severe bleed. First aid is taking action at the scene to prevent a patient's condition from getting worse. A cell phone is a secondary response.

[Maha]

Go one better, carry an actual EPIRB, which has more chance of getting a signal out.

For as little as $338, not a huge outlay when it comes to potentially life and death....or eldog giving you mouth to mouth

[Hitcher]

Cellphone with an epirb app.

And a tourniquet app.

[willytheekid]

Super Glue!...best component of any first aid kit

(And gloves!...FFS pack surgical gloves!!)

[nzspokes]

Agree, 90% of NZ, a heavy bleeder will die before an ambulance can get there if nothing is done. A cell phone isn't much use for stemming a severe bleed. First aid is taking action at the scene to prevent a patient's condition from getting worse. A cell phone is a secondary response.

With luck you wont be the only one there and somebody else can call 111. If not chuck it on speaker and get to work.

We were told for greater Auckland its 6 to 8 mins before the Ambo gets to you. Sadly we mostly ride out away from towns.

[Berries]

I noticed in the Dr John Hind vid that he carried a wire saw to cut the chin guard off a helmet, piano wire kind of thing.

I think he had a bit more experience and knowledge than most on here.


Taking real life advice on things as important as saving someones life from an internet forum is daft. Go on a course, learn to save a life.

[granstar]

I do FA ( No! First Aid, as well as fark all) through work, the first thing they tell you is ...

1/ Your own safety first. Make sure you will not get into danger approaching a scene. Other traffic, power lines down, fire, etc. Bleeding.. wear gloves, mouth to mouth wear guard. Aids in NZ is low risk, Cytomegalovirus is common.

2/ Access and secure the scene so no more issues arise, use bystanders, traffic warnings.

3/ get Help, dial 111

4/ Remember it's first aid, do whatever you can until professional help arrives.

A lot of people in the community are trained, as a motorcyclist in potential higher risk of serious harm accidents, you should be too.

Adding 5/ treat for shock, victim comfort and re-assurance, learn recovery position, monitor condition while you wait for help.

[nzspokes]

I think he had a bit more experience and knowledge than most on here.


Taking real life advice on things as important as saving someones life from an internet forum is daft. Go on a course, learn to save a life.

Paramedic vs a first aider. Its why I did the course to get an idea how to keep somebody going until help turns up. After that get the fuck out of the way and let them do what they are trained to do.

[eldog]

life and death....or eldog giving you mouth to mouth

get in line Maha, get in line.

i now mostly ride in the countryside so simple tasks like attending to my own injuries is ok.
i also think stuff like eye wash for pollen strike, visor cleaning and a heat blanket - one of those foil ones is a good idea.
its those simple easy to carry items you wouldnt neccessarily think to carry.
glad wrap is easy to carry too.

suggestions welcome

[eldog]

We were told for greater Auckland its 6 to 8 mins before the Ambo gets to you. Sadly we mostly ride out away from towns.

Recent experience - it can be half an hour+ for akl region, and then even the Police have to demand they attend.

[BMWST?]

OK
I will look into this.
Other injuries would be typical, grazes, broke bones, bleeding entrapment, etc.


I will have to ask about helmet if patient is not breathing.

Making sure they can breathe would be my main concern and to leave helmet on, what to do there, what position, how to check etc.

thats a tough one.If they arent breathing and they have a helmet on the helmet must be removed.This of course carries potential danger,but of course so does not breathing

[eldog]

thats a tough one.If they arent breathing and they have a helmet on the helmet must be removed.This of course carries potential danger,but of course so does not breathing

I would suspect the position of the neck and tongue would be be my best guess and clearing of the throat.
if they are breathing I would leave them as they are.

In this scenario I am thinking I will only be riding with 1 other or come upon an accident scene.