F-U Auckland house prices

[sidecar bob]

You have rights to the land. They own it given that they are a representative of the crown entity... coz the crown owns all land. Hence you have to go begging to them in order to do something to that land that is outwith that which they have already stipulated i.e. the regs. That they can keep changing the regs as to what happens on that land proves that you only have rights to it and that they own it. Easy really... well, for those who don't live in dictionary definition land.

And as per usual, you're woefully under informed.

It still doesn't make owning piles of the correct property a bad financial choice.

[Ocean1]

You have rights to the land. They own it given that they are a representative of the crown entity... coz the crown owns all land. Hence you have to go begging to them in order to do something to that land that is outwith that which they have already stipulated i.e. the regs. That they can keep changing the regs as to what happens on that land proves that you only have rights to it and that they own it. Easy really... well, for those who don't live in dictionary definition land.

And as per usual, you're woefully under informed.

Yes, I have the right to own it. The crown also has rights to own land. Crown land, I think you'll find it's called.

As usual your pathetic attempts to pretend that money doesn't in fact represent value simply shows how bizarrely contorted your "logic" needs to get in order for you to believe the bogie men have stolen all your toys.

Get some new neurosis, your current ones sorta make you a fuckwit.

[mashman]

It still doesn't make owning piles of the correct property a bad financial choice.

Did I ever say it did?

Yes, I have the right to own it. The crown also has rights to own land. Crown land, I think you'll find it's called.

As usual your pathetic attempts to pretend that money doesn't in fact represent value simply shows how bizarrely contorted your "logic" needs to get in order for you to believe the bogie men have stolen all your toys.

Get some new neurosis, your current ones sorta make you a fuckwit.

Can the govt tell you to take your house down?

I didn't bring money into it.

Answer the above question and see how far my neurosis stretches, dickhead

[Ocean1]

Can the govt tell you to take your house down?

I didn't bring money into it.

Answer the above question and see how far my neurosis stretches, dickhead

Not without reason, no. Even if they could, what the fuck's that got to do with ownership?

Money does imply ownership then?

There, you're still a neurotic fuckwit.

[mashman]

Not without reason, no. Even if they could, what the fuck's that got to do with ownership?

Money does imply ownership then?

There, you're still a neurotic fuckwit.

If you own the thing, how can anyone tell you what you can and can't do with it?

Ownership of what?

No, you're still a brainless chimp that's swallowed what he's been taught without actually thinking it through

[Ocean1]

If you own the thing, how can anyone tell you what you can and can't do with it?

Ownership of what?

No, you're still a brainless chimp that's swallowed what he's been taught without actually thinking it through

Fuck me, is it possible that you really are that thick?

It's not just some bizarre act?...

[sidecar bob]

You have rights to the land. They own it given that they are a representative of the crown entity... coz the crown owns all land. Hence you have to go begging to them in order to do something to that land that is outwith that which they have already stipulated i.e. the regs. That they can keep changing the regs as to what happens on that land proves that you only have rights to it and that they own it. Easy really... well, for those who don't live in dictionary definition land.

And as per usual, you're woefully under informed.

This is a good thing I think, as id be a bit annoyed if someone built a piggery or a truck depot on the property next to my house . . oh, wait, they cant anyway, because I own that too.
A few rules around property usage prevent it all becoming a complete circus.

[mashman]

Fuck me, is it possible that you really are that thick?

It's not just some bizarre act?...

Nope, but it's obvious that you are. As you were dumbass.

This is a good thing I think, as id be a bit annoyed if someone built a piggery or a truck depot on the property next to my house . . oh, wait, they cant anyway, because I own that too.
A few rules around property usage prevent it all becoming a complete circus.

If said piggery (mmmmm, bacon) or truck depot was deemed to be of value to the community, the govt could quite easily take that land off you. I say easily, but you'd have to go to court for the real owner to decide who has the right. Right != Own.
I don't have much of a problem with the rules, coz as you say, it prevents a certain level of bullshit 3 ring circus sideshow.

[TheDemonLord]

I sit somewhere on the fence between Mashman and Ocean1.

That is, I can accept that there is a need for some form of local Governance of land and resources, but in the same breath - I support the notion of 'It's my land, therefore I will do with it as I please'

Its hard when you end up arguing with yourself - both of us are too stubborn to admit defeat.

[mashman]

I sit somewhere on the fence between Mashman and Ocean1.

That is, I can accept that there is a need for some form of local Governance of land and resources, but in the same breath - I support the notion of 'It's my land, therefore I will do with it as I please'

Its hard when you end up arguing with yourself - both of us are too stubborn to admit defeat.

Let me sway one of you then, so you can sleep a little easier after feeling the win over yourself .

"Compulsory acquisition

If we cannot reach an agreement with you to purchase your land, the Public Works Act allows the Minister for Land Information to acquire the land compulsorily. This power is only exercised after we have made all reasonable endeavours to negotiate the sale and purchase of your land in good faith"

Only a fuckin idiot wouldn't know these things given how overtly evident they are

[neels]

"Compulsory acquisition

If we cannot reach an agreement with you to purchase your land, the Public Works Act allows the Minister for Land Information to acquire the land compulsorily. This power is only exercised after we have made all reasonable endeavours to negotiate the sale and purchase of your land in good faith"

This is an absolute last resort, for high value projects of national importance, and it takes a very very long time. This was considered on a job I'm slightly involved in, but taking 3-5 years is too long to put a light on a pole where the owner doesn't want it, so had to go looking for other alternatives.

Even then, your title to the land is recognised, and how much you get for it depend on how good your lawyer is, they don't get to just take it.

But yes, title to land only entitles you to occupy it, and requires that you abide by the relevant (by)laws that apply to it.

[nodrog:Me]

Compulsorily acquired? You know what this means don’t you, they’re acquiring it compulsorily!

[sidecar bob]

I am aware of several people that have owned land required for major roading upgrades in our district, all have been paid out very generously, on no occasion was the land seized.

[Akzle]

That is, I can accept that there is a need for some form of local Governance of land and resources, but in the same breath - I support the notion of 'It's my land, therefore I will do with it as I please'

unless you want to put up an antenna. Or drill for oil. Or plant cannabis. Or tip paint into 'your' river. Or manufacture methamphetamine. Or paint your house bright pink. Or run a pimp out yo' hoes. Or. Or. Or.

For anyone with the ability to comprehend, look up the difference between alloidal and fee simple titles,


or course, its all just jew paper.

Noone owns shit. Noone gets out alive.

A lifetime lease, (subject to ts and cs), is the best you can beg for. If you're so inclined.

[nodrog:Me]

There is no one section. It’s just the vibe of the thing.