Global warming?

[SPman]

From the department of "settled science" and "oh fuck it's worse than we thought!!!!!!!!!"

Antarctica is actually gaining ice mass.

WTF?

http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/...er-than-losses

Amazing what you can get with 8 y.o. data that bears not much relevance to recent data

As a counter.....
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/02/melting-ice-in-west-antarctica-could-raise-seas-by-3m-warns-study?CMP=ema_632

http://america.aljazeera.com/article...ain-study.html

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Amazing what you can get with 8 y.o. data that bears not much relevance to recent data

As a counter.....
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/02/melting-ice-in-west-antarctica-could-raise-seas-by-3m-warns-study?CMP=ema_632

http://america.aljazeera.com/article...ain-study.html

Talking shit again dude.

It's NASA's latest study and supercedes their previous modelling.

Read the Al Jazeera article. It doesn't supprt your contention.

ETA. Didn't notice this bit from the Al Jazeera article at first...

“Please don’t publicize this study,” said Theodore A. Scambos, a senior research scientist at the National Snow & Ice Data Center, a polar research center at the University of Colorado at Boulder."

That would be precisely the attitude that's reduced climate science to a laughing stock. What part of the scientific method does that fall under you fucking tosspot.

[SPman]

Is Antarctica Gaining or Losing Ice? Hint: Losing.
A new study just published in the Journal of Glaciology is causing some buzz in climate circles, because it appears to claim that Antarctica—long thought to be losing ice at extremely alarming rates—is actually gaining ice.
However, note the word appears. The reality is more complicated, and in the end the important aspect of this is that the study only talks about part of Antarctica, and only used data up to 2008. Both of these points are critical.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2015/11/03/antarctic_ice_still_losing_mass.html
and more here
http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2015/11/antarctic-ice-growing-or-shrinking-nasa.html

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precisely the attitude that's reduced climate science to a laughing stock.

...amongst conservative dickheads whom fewer and fewer people give much credence to......

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...amongst conservative dickheads whom fewer and fewer people give much credence to......

Really? You'd defend that?

[carbonhed]

And in absolutely appalling news today... Pacific Atolls are increasing in size in response to rising sea levels.

https://www.newscientist.com/article...a-levels-rise/

Things to avoid... don't kill your reef with pollution... aaand don't mine it for building materials.

[SPman]

Really? You'd defend that?

Yes.

It's NASA's latest study and supercedes their previous modelling.

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Current studies are showing that the rate of change of glacier melt is a major concern, in West Antarctica in particular.
We confirm previous reports of West Antarctic warming, in annual average and in austral spring and winter, but find substantially larger temperature increases. In contrast to previous studies, we report statistically significant warming during austral summer, particularly in December–January, the peak of the melting season.
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v6/n2/full/ngeo1671.html



The floating ice shelves surrounding the Antarctic Ice Sheet restrain the grounded ice-sheet flow. Thinning of an ice shelf reduces this effect, leading to an increase in ice discharge to the ocean. Using 18 years of continuous satellite radar altimeter observations, we have computed decadal-scale changes in ice-shelf thickness around the Antarctic continent. Overall, average ice-shelf volume change accelerated from negligible loss at 25 ± 64 cubic kilometers per year for 1994–2003 to rapid loss of 310 ± 74 cubic kilometers per year for 2003–2012. West Antarctic losses increased by ~70% in the past decade, and earlier volume gain by East Antarctic ice shelves ceased. In the Amundsen and Bellingshausen regions, some ice shelves have lost up to 18% of their thickness in less than two decades.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/imageo/2015/03/27/antarctic-ice-shelves-thinning-rapidly/#.Vj2r-5f-XaU



Researchers at Princeton University have confirmed accelerating rates of loss in the Antarctic ice sheet. If this continues, significant rises in sea level are predicted.

http://www.fromquarkstoquasars.com/new-method-weighing-antarctic-ice-confirms-rapid-melting/

[yokel]

Yes.

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Current studies are showing that the rate of change of glacier melt is a major concern, in West Antarctica in particular.
We confirm previous reports of West Antarctic warming, in annual average and in austral spring and winter, but find substantially larger temperature increases. In contrast to previous studies, we report statistically significant warming during austral summer, particularly in December–January, the peak of the melting season.
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v6/n2/full/ngeo1671.html



The floating ice shelves surrounding the Antarctic Ice Sheet restrain the grounded ice-sheet flow. Thinning of an ice shelf reduces this effect, leading to an increase in ice discharge to the ocean. Using 18 years of continuous satellite radar altimeter observations, we have computed decadal-scale changes in ice-shelf thickness around the Antarctic continent. Overall, average ice-shelf volume change accelerated from negligible loss at 25 ± 64 cubic kilometers per year for 1994–2003 to rapid loss of 310 ± 74 cubic kilometers per year for 2003–2012. West Antarctic losses increased by ~70% in the past decade, and earlier volume gain by East Antarctic ice shelves ceased. In the Amundsen and Bellingshausen regions, some ice shelves have lost up to 18% of their thickness in less than two decades.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/imageo/2015/03/27/antarctic-ice-shelves-thinning-rapidly/#.Vj2r-5f-XaU



Researchers at Princeton University have confirmed accelerating rates of loss in the Antarctic ice sheet. If this continues, significant rises in sea level are predicted.

http://www.fromquarkstoquasars.com/new-method-weighing-antarctic-ice-confirms-rapid-melting/

There is nothing wrong with the climate, and CO2 does nothing.
now If I'm going to believe in man made climate change then they need to give another reason other than CO2 emissions.

The name 'climate change' is fucking retarded, it does not point to anything specific. and what % of this climate change is man made? 0.1% or 99%??

[SPman]

There is nothing wrong with the climate, and CO2 does nothing.
now If I'm going to believe in man made climate change then they need to give another reason other than CO2 emissions.

You were obviously wanking during physics 101 classes.........

..... and what % of this climate change is man made? 0.1% or 99%??

well...the observable fact that the planet is warming, when, if left to natural causes it should, currently, be cooling, would tend to indicate that human induced increase of CO2 levels by 45% from a century ago may just have a part to play........

[James Deuce]

in other words it's bullshit science,
they will never get the science settled because there is no control eg another planet earth

Grade: Not Achieved. Does not understand irony, sarcasm or the scientific method.

[James Deuce]

You were obviously wanking during physics 101 classes.........

well...the observable fact that the planet is warming, when, if left to natural causes it should, currently, be cooling, would tend to indicate that human induced increase of CO2 levels by 45% from a century ago may just have a part to play........

To say nothing of the acidification of the oceans or the reduction in the large animal poop cycle which plays a huge part in spreading nutrients, to just 8% on land and 5% in the sea when compared to 15,000 years ago. Because we've extinctified lots of large animal species or reduced them to almost unsustainable levels. So where people turn up, bad things happen.

[yokel]

You were obviously wanking during physics 101 classes.........

well...the observable fact that the planet is warming, when, if left to natural causes it should, currently, be cooling, would tend to indicate that human induced increase of CO2 levels by 45% from a century ago may just have a part to play........

So we've apparently increased the CO2 to a whopping 0.039%. nice try child.
have a guess as to what is the most abundant greenhouse gas?

[yokel]

To say nothing of the acidification of the oceans or the reduction in the large animal poop cycle which plays a huge part in spreading nutrients, to just 8% on land and 5% in the sea when compared to 15,000 years ago. Because we've extinctified lots of large animal species or reduced them to almost unsustainable levels. So where people turn up, bad things happen.

when the ocean heats up it releases CO2 and becomes less acidic, so there's a slight problem with your "ocean acidification" chicken little story.

the only thing that can heat up the oceans is the sun, not the climate.

[FJRider]

when the ocean heats up it releases CO2 and becomes less acidic, so there's a slight problem with your "ocean acidification" chicken little story.

Thousands of Tonne's of fertilizers containing ammonium nitrate, ammonium sulfate, or sulfur-coated urea (to name but a few acidic fertilizers) ... are flushed into the worlds oceans each year.


Do you think THAT will have NO effect on the "Ocean's Acidity" .... ???

[yokel]

Thousands of Tonne's of fertilizers containing ammonium nitrate, ammonium sulfate, or sulfur-coated urea (to name but a few acidic fertilizers) ... are flushed into the worlds oceans each year.


Do you think THAT will have NO effect on the "Ocean's Acidity" .... ???

thats not what the science buffoons are saying, they claim "ocean acidification" comes from extra CO2 in the atmosphere.

Me personally thinks it's from fukushima,
the 'warm blob' in the pacific, that's fuku baby.
with all the phytoplankton dying off the sun's rays can now cock the oceans.

[James Deuce]

when the ocean heats up it releases CO2 and becomes less acidic, so there's a slight problem with your "ocean acidification" chicken little story.

the only thing that can heat up the oceans is the sun, not the climate.

Annotated, referenced proof please. You won't find any so I won't hold my breath.

I'd work harder on refuting your statement, but like all science deniers your offhand, demi-science quips take hours to to assemble a tight response to in order to present a factual response. It's not worth the effort as you've exercised a technique that amounts to the written equivalent of a Gish Gallop for years now. Every time someone puts any work in to try and prevent your nonsense being absorbed by people who have no exposure to science and little understanding of scientific method you escalate the level of garbage response to new heights. None of it supported, or indeed supportable by anyone with a reputable association to whatever branch of science you're throwing under the bus today.

The only response that may help those who don't get scientific method is a short quip from comedian Dara O'Brien who also has a degree in Cosmology, “Science knows it doesn't know everything; otherwise, it'd stop. But just because science doesn't know everything doesn't mean you can fill in the gaps with whatever fairy tale most appeals to you."