Flag?

**Swoop** · 26th February 2016, 18:27

Originally Posted by Ocean1

But it's all the rabid anti Key brigade can drum up against the change.

It distracts attention from the fact their opposition party hasn't "had a clue" (let alone a leader) in a decade.

**Voltaire** · 26th February 2016, 20:20

Originally Posted by Madness

I reckon if it's time we had a new flag then maybe it's also time we had a new colour(s) for our national sporting teams. I'm thinking orange and purple at this stage, maybe with some silver edges - maybe even glitter or tinsel for a proper silver finish. It's a pretty contemporary mix of colours and would almost certainly result in better awareness of our country and hopefully lead to increased tourism. We could still call the All Blacks the All Blacks seeing as most of them are well, black...

Yeah, get rid of the Black, its depressing, we should probably look at driving on other side of road too as I went to Aussie recently and its like...almost the same.

**oldrider** · 26th February 2016, 20:50

Originally Posted by Voltaire

Yeah, get rid of the Black, its depressing, we should probably look at driving on other side of road too as I went to Aussie recently and its like...almost the same.

What? - I thought it was customary to drive in the middle of the road over here - maybe so many are unsure which side so they just split the difference!

**gjm** · 28th February 2016, 14:01

I'll respond to earlier comments at some point but, if... IF Australia were to change their flag, would that obviate 50% of the reasons for changing the Kiwi flag?

Cos, that is exactly what they are looking to do... Has anyone seen that in the Kiwi press? No? Might it be because the flag similarity is a cornerstone of the publicised 'reason' for debating change?

Their reasons for change make interesting (comparitive) reading. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vic...45384cf437c953

**MarkH** · 28th February 2016, 14:43

Originally Posted by gjm

I'll respond to earlier comments at some point but, if... IF Australia were to change their flag, would that obviate 50% of the reasons for changing the Kiwi flag?

For me:
I'd still like a new flag because I dislike having the UK flag on our flag. I feel like the New Zealand I was born and raised in and lived all my life in is its own country and shouldn't have another country's flag on its flag.
I view the similarity with the aussie flag as only one of the things I don't like about our current flag.
I'd say at most it would only obviate about 33% of the reasons for changing our flag.

Of course others will have their own opinions on this matter.

**bogan** · 28th February 2016, 15:19

Originally Posted by gjm

I'll respond to earlier comments at some point but, if... IF Australia were to change their flag, would that obviate 50% of the reasons for changing the Kiwi flag?

Cos, that is exactly what they are looking to do... Has anyone seen that in the Kiwi press? No? Might it be because the flag similarity is a cornerstone of the publicised 'reason' for debating change?

Their reasons for change make interesting (comparitive) reading. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vic...45384cf437c953

Nope.

Yup, see here http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/austral...al-flag-survey

If you think we should vote not to change because aussie might change, then just be aware they have not even started the official process yet. It's some blokes with some online exposure trying to get the ball rolling for change. The best way to help them get change, is to show em how it is done

**Katman** · 28th February 2016, 16:14

Originally Posted by bogan

Nope.

Yup, see here http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/austral...al-flag-survey

If you think we should vote not to change because aussie might change, then just be aware they have not even started the official process yet. It's some blokes with some online exposure trying to get the ball rolling for change. The best way to help them get change, is to show em how it is done

Australia has proposed the idea of becoming a Republic for a number of years now.

A new Republic would automatically introduce a new flag.

**gjm** · 28th February 2016, 16:35

Originally Posted by bogan

Nope.

Yup, see here http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/austral...al-flag-survey

If you think we should vote not to change because aussie might change, then just be aware they have not even started the official process yet. It's some blokes with some online exposure trying to get the ball rolling for change. The best way to help them get change, is to show em how it is done

I've not spent any time looking at what the west island is doing.

I do quite like their alternative flag (if the one I saw is the prime candidate).

I do not like the design we're being offered. As I have said - a change is not necessarily a bad thing. But let's change for the right alternative, not one of 60% of similar designs selected by an unqualified, unelected group of people.

**Ocean1** · 28th February 2016, 17:03

Originally Posted by gjm

I've not spent any time looking at what the west island is doing.

I do quite like their alternative flag (if the one I saw is the prime candidate).

I do not like the design we're being offered. As I have said - a change is not necessarily a bad thing. But let's change for the right alternative, not one of 60% of similar designs selected by an unqualified, unelected group of people.

And yet, it's the flag we chose as a possible alternative.

And I don't really give a fuck if the version of Britain's colonial shipping flag we were instructed to use is similar to Australia's or not. The issue with it is that it's not ours, it's symbolism is pure Colonial era Britain, nothing to do with our nation.

So I want change because the current flag is boring, isn't ours and never has been, even less so since Blighty cut us out of their market in joining the EU. And if the alternative is the currently agreed one then so be it, I personally quite like it, we could do a lot worse, have been doing so for a century.

So there.

**Katman** · 28th February 2016, 17:07

Originally Posted by Ocean1

And yet, it's the flag we chose as a possible alternative.

And I don't really give a fuck if the version of Britain's colonial shipping flag we were instructed to use is similar to Australia's or not. The issue with it is that it's not ours, it's symbolism is pure Colonial era Britain, nothing to do with our nation.

So I want change because the current flag is boring, isn't ours and never has been, even less so since Blighty cut us out of their market in joining the EU. And if the alternative is the currently agreed one then so be it, I personally quite like it, we could do a lot worse, have been doing so for a century.

So there.

You sound as convincing as the fuckwit sportsmen who have decided to voice their (sic) opinion for a price.

**husaberg** · 28th February 2016, 17:13

Originally Posted by Katman

You sound as convincing as the fuckwit sportsmen who have decided to voice their (sic) opinion for a price.

So do you have any actual proof that they were paid or is it just your opinion? Because its sure worded by you as if its a known and provable fact.

**Ocean1** · 28th February 2016, 17:24

Originally Posted by Katman

You sound as convincing as the fuckwit sportsmen who have decided to voice their (sic) opinion for a price.

I'm sure I do.

To an illiterate fuckwit with no credibility on the subject whatsoever.

And to think, nobody's even paying you to behave like that...

**Katman** · 28th February 2016, 17:25

Originally Posted by Ocean1

And to think, nobody's even paying you to behave like that...

At least I have my integrity.

**bogan** · 28th February 2016, 17:32

Originally Posted by gjm

selected by an unqualified, unelected group of people.

Not a fan of democracy then?

**husaberg** · 28th February 2016, 17:35

Originally Posted by Katman

At least I have my integrity.

Really as you state you have integrity.
Were you speeding when you got that speeding ticket that you subsequently fought in court?
As a man of Integrity it should not be an issue to answer this simple question. Were you speeding or not?

Plus you should be able to answer the other question I asked you also.
This shouldn't be an issue for a someone who claims he has integrity

Originally Posted by Katman

You sound as convincing as the fuckwit sportsmen who have decided to voice their (sic) opinion for a price.

So do you have any actual proof that they were paid or is it just your opinion?
Because its sure worded by you as if its a known and provable fact.