Flag?

**oldrider** · 4th March 2016, 15:04

Originally Posted by MarkH

Do you know the difference between fact & opinion?
I seriously doubt that anyone will fail to identify the flag they want and just select the first option based on your logic.
Why not: Question? Change to the new flag or not?

I don't see anything dishonest or deceptive about the order of the flags.

Manipulative at best - or do you still think supermarkets don't stack their shelves etc in a purposeful manipulative manner to control desired outcomes? $$$$$

**trufflebutter** · 4th March 2016, 15:25

They probably do, but it doesn't mean you have to buy what they are trying to sell you........does it?

**oldrider** · 4th March 2016, 15:55

Originally Posted by trufflebutter

They probably do, but it doesn't mean you have to buy what they are trying to sell you........does it?

Originally Posted by oldrider

They rigged the vote paper as much as they could by presenting the new flag on the top! - And how many languages does this country have? ffs!

It should have been the current flag on top and/or the new proposed flag on the bottom - I.E. Question? retain the current flag or replace it with this flag?

I currently don't have strong preference for the old flag or the new one - just do not think it important enough issue to warrant the expense and attention!

Think I will return my paper and vote for the old flag simply as a protest toward their blatant bias and dishonesty! - Cheeky pricks!

Like I said earlier I don't think I will buy it now but I was ambivalent toward the change - may even do all I can to obstruct it by voting for the old flag now!

**Banditbandit** · 4th March 2016, 15:55

Originally Posted by oldrider

They rigged the vote paper as much as they could by presenting the new flag on the top! - And how many languages does this country have? ffs!

It should have been the current flag on top and/or the new proposed flag on the bottom - I.E. Question? retain the current flag or replace it with this flag?

I currently don't have strong preference for the old flag or the new one - just do not think it important enough issue to warrant the expense and attention!

Think I will return my paper and vote for the old flag simply as a protest toward their blatant bias and dishonesty! - Cheeky pricks!

See .. that's why we won't get a flag change ...

**bogan** · 4th March 2016, 16:13

Originally Posted by oldrider

They rigged the vote paper as much as they could by presenting the new flag on the top! - And how many languages does this country have? ffs!

Rigged? fuckin hell mate, that's a bit of a stretch. It's actually consistent with newsfeed and other picture related media to have the newer items at the top, so if anything, it'd be rigged if it were anywhere else.

In case you haven't noticed, NZ is a multicultural country, and requires languages to suit... perhaps a point for the reasons to change, let curmudgeonly old bastards know we have culture now

**oldrider** · 4th March 2016, 16:25

Originally Posted by bogan

Rigged? fuckin hell mate, that's a bit of a stretch. It's actually consistent with newsfeed and other picture related media to have the newer items at the top, so if anything, it'd be rigged if it were anywhere else.

In case you haven't noticed, NZ is a multicultural country, and requires languages to suit... perhaps a point for the reasons to change, let curmudgeonly old bastards know we have culture now

What took you so long? - Our culture used be polite once too - before bogan!

**mr bucketracer** · 4th March 2016, 16:40

The silver fern was used in the bush to show the track at night , . Also used as bush toilet paper , so we are being led up the garden path to the toilet .

**Moi** · 4th March 2016, 16:50

Originally Posted by mr bucketracer

The silver fern was used in the bush to show the track at night , . Also used as bush toilet paper , so we are being led up the garden path to the toilet .

Sorry to spoil a good story...

True about the silver fern however, bushman's friend - also known as bushman's toilet paper - is rangiora [brachyglottis repanda] whereas the silver fern is cyathea dealbata...

**Tazz** · 4th March 2016, 16:57

Originally Posted by Moi

Sorry to spoil a good story...

True about the silver fern however, bushman's friend - also known as bushman's toilet paper - is rangiora [brachyglottis repanda] whereas the silver fern is cyathea dealbata...

Here is a picture so those that are unsure can easily identify 'bushman's toilet paper' if the need ever arises:

**bogan** · 4th March 2016, 17:03

Originally Posted by oldrider

What took you so long? - Our culture used be polite once too - before bogan!

Kb used to be polite? well fuck me sideways three ways from sunday, certainly had to have been long before I read anything here

let alone wrote a thing

**husaberg** · 4th March 2016, 17:07

Originally Posted by Tazz

Here is a picture so those that are unsure can easily identify 'bushman's toilet paper' if the need ever arises:

https://hereweka.files.wordpress.com...tica-ferox.jpg

I spent a whole day in close contact with that one time, the rash wasn't an issue, but fever and headaches numbness and heart palpitations for a week after was.

**Moi** · 4th March 2016, 17:20

Originally Posted by tazz

here is a picture so those that are unsure can easily identify 'bushman's toilet paper' if the need ever arises:

ouch......

**Stylo** · 4th March 2016, 17:49

We received our voting envelopes in the post today, very good.

Signed, sealed and in the red box tomorrow.

We talked about it first, Me and her.

We'd both like a change but, the process became evident and the subsequent political debacle that ensued pissed us both off.

Plus the 'New flag' looks like a tea towel. What a shocker.

So ....we've both voted for retention of the old standard, there you go.