Cancer and the drug companies

[gsxr]

I cant be bothered reading through this thread . Its too long.

Anyone got any explanation why heroin users get free methadone supplies when cannabis oil is denied for genuine pain sufferers .

Please let me clarify .
My post was a genuine question and no way am I a stoner pushing for the legalization nor the decriminalization of cannabis.
I like most others have experimented with cannabis in younger years. Myself just twice and decided it wasnt for me and never touched it since.
Each to their own though so i have no opinion on recreational use.
My question was why is methadone funded but cannabis oil for genuine pain suffers illegal or unfunded.
Husa suggested methadone was synthetic and cheap to produce and other reasons which I accept.
Cannabis oil is natural and also reasonably cheap to produce.
My question in no way related to the legalization or otherwise of cannabis for recreational purposes.
Drugs are controlled by pharmaceutical companies that have a patent on them.
They do not have a patent on cannabis so that therein lies the answer i believe.

[Woodman]

A couple of cop "friends" would rather see booze illegal and weed not.

Why? because a very small percentage of people get out of control when on the booze?

Take last Saturday for example.

How many people had an alcoholic drink, and had a good time, versus how many had a drink and had a bad time/got arrested etc. Pretty sure you will find the goodtime vs bad time ratio is hugely weighted to the good time as to make the bad time seem insignificant statistcally wise.

[husaberg]

Please let me clarify .
My post was a genuine question and no way am I a stoner pushing for the legalization nor the decriminalization of cannabis.
I like most others have experimented with cannabis in younger years. Myself just twice and decided it wasnt for me and never touched it since.
Each to their own though so i have no opinion on recreational use.
My question was why is methadone funded but cannabis oil for genuine pain suffers illegal or unfunded.
Husa suggested methadone was synthetic and cheap to produce and other reasons which I accept.
Cannabis oil is natural and also reasonably cheap to produce.
My question in no way related to the legalization or otherwise of cannabis for recreational purposes.
Drugs are controlled by pharmaceutical companies that have a patent on them.
They do not have a patent on cannabis so that therein lies the answer i believe.

Say what?, I never said anything about methadone being cheap to produce.

I cant be bothered reading through this thread . Its too long.
Anyone got any explanation why heroin users get free methadone supplies when cannabis oil is denied for genuine pain sufferers .

Because heroin users traditionally, used to have to steal (a lot) to support their habit.
Methadone programmes are seen as a way of weaning the user off the Heroin with less physical side effects and a more user friendly form that lessens the HIV and Hep C risk.
The drug is taken orally in front of the pharmacist so it's less of a risk of being onsold to others.

The programmes are designed, not as a alternative replacement for heroin, the actual goal stop is to the addict using any form of opiate long term. The methadone is a prescription to help the withdrawal symptoms
I note your post is phrased like pain relief is being denied to pain suffers, This is incorrect.
People might take the use of Cannabis use as a pain relief more serious, if it wasn't predominantly recreational users pushing for its use as pain relief.

[Katman]

It does as well as 1083, Your feble attempt misinterpreting it, to suit your own agenda speck volumes about you.

Fuck off shitforbrains.

Have any one of the recent articles on prime time TV dealing with medicinal cannabis (which have been very instrumental in changing the public's perception of cannabis) pushed the wants of the recreational user?

Here is a question, Are you by chance a recreational cannabis user Katman.

What business is that of yours cocksucker?

[gsxr]

Say what?, I never said anything about methadone being cheap to produce.

Sorry Husaberg. I wrongly credited you to that statement when in fact it was Akzle Cheers

[husaberg]

Fuck off shitforbrains.

Have any one of the recent articles on prime time TV dealing with medicinal cannabis (which have been very instrumental in changing the public's perception of cannabis) pushed the wants of the recreational user?

It certainly suit the agenda of recreational users.

What business is that of yours cocksucker?

Because it speaks to your motivation for why you believe cannabis should be legalised, just as much as any family member you have had died of Cancer does.

My point is more along the lines of 'it's a discrepancy that demands further investigation'.

You're welcome to ignore inconvenient questions.
Won't stop me asking them though.

The questions are there.
You just refuse to give them any consideration.

Sorry Husaberg. I wrongly credited you to that statement when in fact it was Akzle Cheers

No worries, but would rather be called a fucking moron than have a post of his attributed to me. (Fuck that's like the exact same thing isn't it )

[mashman]

Why? because a very small percentage of people get out of control when on the booze?

Take last Saturday for example.

How many people had an alcoholic drink, and had a good time, versus how many had a drink and had a bad time/got arrested etc. Pretty sure you will find the goodtime vs bad time ratio is hugely weighted to the good time as to make the bad time seem insignificant statistcally wise.

Because, of those who are out of control the ones that calm down the quickest aren't those who've been drinking.

@statistically acceptable...

[Berries]

Your feble attempt misinterpreting it, to suit your own agenda speck volumes about you.

You should have a toke. It might improve your England.

[Woodman]

Because, of those who are out of control the ones that calm down the quickest aren't those who've been drinking.

@statistically acceptable...

No not statistically acceptable, but it would be unfair if the vast vast majority get penalised for the behaviour of a minority.

[gsxr]

Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
Sorry Husaberg. I wrongly credited you to that statement when in fact it was Akzle Cheers
No worries, but would rather be called a fucking moron than have a post of his attributed to me. (Fuck that's like the exact same thing isn't it )


Fucking Moron

Feel better now ..........

[husaberg]

You should have a toke. It might improve your England.

How slow do you type? I fixed that well over an hour ago?
Katman even replied to it? With the newer more improved much more Engerish version prior to your post?

Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
Sorry Husaberg. I wrongly credited you to that statement when in fact it was Akzle Cheers
No worries, but would rather be called a fucking moron than have a post of his attributed to me. (Fuck that's like the exact same thing isn't it )


Fucking Moron

Feel better now ..........

Yip

[Madness]

Why? because a very small percentage of people get out of control when on the booze?

Take last Saturday for example.

How many people had an alcoholic drink, and had a good time, versus how many had a drink and had a bad time/got arrested etc. Pretty sure you will find the goodtime vs bad time ratio is hugely weighted to the good time as to make the bad time seem insignificant statistcally wise.

I can't remember ever smoking buds and having a bad time. Ever. Statistically I find that quite acceptable indeed.

[TheDemonLord]

A couple of cop "friends" would rather see booze illegal and weed not.

And I'm sure that given their perspective, probably multiple times a day seeing the negative effects of Alcohol would justify their view.

Myself - I'm about Moderation. I'm not going to make an argument based on Medicinal properties, as I believe that I have made my position on that clear in previous threads (if there is an active chemical, lets isolate it, understand how it works and the give the patient a measured dose for their symptoms) - I will say this on Cannabis:

I'd like nothing more than to go to my Local Liquor store, Pay hard earned cash to be buy a reputable product from a reputable company, paying a reasonable percentage in Tax and not financing criminal organizations.

Go home and sit on my Deck, looking up at the stars with a big fat Joint, relaxing after a hard week at work.

Lets not be naive - when it comes to Cannabis, there are negative effects that come with abuse, but then there are negative effects that come with over-consumption of just about anything - including Oxygen poisoning and Water intoxication, as above, Moderation is the key.

[Maha]

Why? because a very small percentage of people get out of control when on the booze?

Take last Saturday for example.

How many people had an alcoholic drink, and had a good time, versus how many had a drink and had a bad time/got arrested etc. Pretty sure you will find the good time vs bad time ratio is hugely weighted to the good time as to make the bad time seem insignificant statistically wise.

Pissed or drunk fuckers are generally out somewhere doing their shit, they don't then logon to this site and start posting like the weed heads clearly do.

[mashman]

No not statistically acceptable, but it would be unfair if the vast vast majority get penalised for the behaviour of a minority.

Tis unfair that anyone is getting penalised at all.