2017 gp?

[cotswold]

There aren't that many riders who race both f4 and f5, so if you split the classes over two venues, I think you'd see a piss-poor muster of bucket people at the F4 venue, 'cos why would the F5 guys go? To watch or marshall only? Don't think so.
Similarly, after the F4 day, most of those riders would go home, so we'd have a piss-poor turnout for the F5 and Sidecar day, also with no marshalls.
One fabulous weekend at Tokoroa or some other cool track, with plenty of marshalls, or two minimal turnouts at two different tracks with no marshalls? I know my preference.

What he said ......

[Henk]

F5 is a bit of a crossover class.
From my poor ish memory this year.

Collect the set, F4, F5, sidecars
Brian
Me

F4 and F5
As above
Roger
Ken
B grade tim (entered but F5 broke on him)
Sketchy
Nathaniel
Malcolm?

Probably someone I missed, in any case enough that if the crossovers don't show potentially not enough for six starters.

[mr bucketracer]

There aren't that many riders who race both f4 and f5, so if you split the classes over two venues, I think you'd see a piss-poor muster of bucket people at the F4 venue, 'cos why would the F5 guys go? To watch or marshall only? Don't think so.
Similarly, after the F4 day, most of those riders would go home, so we'd have a piss-poor turnout for the F5 and Sidecar day, also with no marshalls.
One fabulous weekend at Tokoroa or some other cool track, with plenty of marshalls, or two minimal turnouts at two different tracks with no marshalls? I know my preference.

thats why you could run it at a north island round for the rest , could even pull more people along because of that

[cotswold]

thats why you could run it at a north island round for the rest , could even pull more people along because of that

Taumaranui instead of Toke? plus an over 50 cup, I like that idea

[Autech]

I have fond memories of Taupo from a track day I did there on my Hobag before I immigrated to "the mainland".

I could be keen on a weekend there if some of the other boys are heading up. We could throw about 8 buckets into a Hiace van I reckon and another 3 or so on a trailer towed behind. I know I once found accommodation in Taupo for $25 a night. It was a bed but not much else, but if you are there to race who cares?

[ac3_snow]

What was the cost to enter the TRRS?

How many people would be happy to pay an entry fee of $150 for ONE day to have the GP at Taupo? (entry only not including transponders, licence upgrades etc).

P.s i definitely don't want to see classes split across events, keep all the buckets together.

[seymour14]

I know once I heard the figure of $4500 spoken of to hire Taupo. Not sure how accurate that is.

One hundred people (which we almost have with North Islanders alone), is $45 per head. Two days $90.

On top of that is your normal $50 upgrade and transponders and maybe $10 a head extra for the ambulance for two days (home away from home for me...), so approx $200 all up for two days at Taupo. All run under our own auspices.

That doesn't seem as bad as all that for a GP event. All classes represented and two days track time.

[cotswold]

What was the cost to enter the TRRS?

How many people would be happy to pay an entry fee of $150 for ONE day to have the GP at Taupo? (entry only not including transponders, licence upgrades etc).

P.s i definitely don't want to see classes split across events, keep all the buckets together.

I agree as I reckon it would be the beginning of the end

[ac3_snow]

I know once I heard the figure of $4500 spoken of to hire Taupo. Not sure how accurate that is.

One hundred people (which we almost have with North Islanders alone), is $45 per head. Two days $90.

On top of that is your normal $50 upgrade and transponders and maybe $10 a head extra for the ambulance for two days (home away from home for me...), so approx $200 all up for two days at Taupo. All run under our own auspices.

That doesn't seem as bad as all that for a GP event. All classes represented and two days track time.

Rather than be like this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8vCsTAPt30

I thought I would be slightly more constructive, so have gone back to look at the entries and results for the TRRS at taupo for 2009, 2010 and 2011.

2009: http://www.roadracespectacular.4t.com/ (entry list on middle of page)
F4 45
F5 10
Unique riders 48

2010 http://www.mylaps.com/en/events/620385
f4 25
f5 2
unique 26

2011 http://www.mylaps.com/en/events/733033
F4 40
F5 8
Unique 41

Recent GP at Tokoroa was the biggest event there yet with 60 entries. I personally would not be comfortable running any event with the break even point being 100. I would use 60 perhaps on the hope that it did better than any others have done before. I still think that 50 is a more realistic expected turn out.

Also yes $4500 is correct, its all there on their website for any one who wants to see it, but that does not include anything else, so you also need to factor in cost of hiring the timing shed, somewhere to complete sign on, fire extinguishers, medical personnel, permits, security personnel and any other requirements stipulated by the track. I would expect something like $5500 - $6500 per day to be the realistic cost (the big variable in there being ambulance) remember this is all still for only 1 day.

http://www.brucemclarenmotorsportpar.../TrackHire.pdf

So yes my suggestion of $150 was at the higher end of the spectrum (I would ball park a realistic entry fee to be $120-$150). There also needs to be appropriate officials willing to help run this at Taupo, it would be a significantly more involved job than Tokoroa. Not impossible but there needs to be realistic expectations from the beginning e.g. yes its going to cost a heck of a lot more than running it at a kart track.

[lodgernz]

Also don't forget that marshalls at tracks like Manfield and Taupo are in their boxes for the day. It's simply not possible to have marshalls running backwards and forwards between races so they can marshall the "other" class. Hence it's only practical if combined with a big meeting where marshalls are provided.

[seymour14]

Manfeild back track costs considerably less to hire (of course with an Ambulance @ $800 per day), but that brings hireage and Ambulance to more like $2000 per day. Plus other obvious needs it would almost work out at half the other quote. Even with other considerations, including profit for the organizers, I can't see it topping $3000 per day. Brent might like to put my figures a little more in order.

In my minds eye I saw about 30 Formula Tokoroa, 20 odd F4, 16 Sidecar people who didn't cross over to other races, and a handful of F5 who mainly did both classes. Close to 70.

Add in a few Wellington people who didn't make it this year, and probably a minimum of 20 South Islanders (First GP they have had a chance at in nearly 5 years) on a track that suits.

40 F4, 40 Formula Taupo/Manfeild, 20 F5, 10 sidecar (20 people). I don't think is out of the question, and a track that can accommodate those numbers.

Money would be dearer certainly, but we are becoming a one trick pony at the moment. Food for thought.

[seymour14]

Also don't forget that marshalls at tracks like Manfield and Taupo are in their boxes for the day. It's simply not possible to have marshalls running backwards and forwards between races so they can marshall the "other" class. Hence it's only practical if combined with a big meeting where marshalls are provided.

Manfeild back track is easy enough to Marshall and get about. The GPR guys would have to knock up some Marshalling boxes out of car tyres though for sure.

[mr bucketracer]

man!! 40 riders entered in one race !!thats a gp !! http://www.mylaps.com/en/events/733033

[Henk]

Keep in mind that in the TTRS days the difference between a day licence was less than it is now and that Roys hill was running, and back then (when I was young?) to ride at a different clubs event you needed the full licence, there were quite a few of us doing the trip to Hawkes bay on a fairly regular basis. Shit, I had a full licence so I could ride both buckets and my dirt bike on the same ticket.

[Grumph]

Add in a few Wellington people who didn't make it this year, and probably a minimum of 20 South Islanders (First GP they have had a chance at in nearly 5 years) on a track that suits.

Money would be dearer certainly, but we are becoming a one trick pony at the moment. Food for thought.

20 is optimistic in the extreme - even if you do as we do and either reduce entry fees or subsidise them for interislanders...And without that I don't see much interest.

It's hard obviously to break out of, as you call it - the one trick pony syndrome - but it can be done on less members. Look at what CAMS has achieved here in terms of stand alone meetings.
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