Meth War inevitable? What d'ya reckon?

[TheDemonLord]

It's time to reform our outdated drug laws.

I'm agreeing with Madness.






Fuck.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm agreeing with Madness.






Fuck.

You'd be fucked in the head if you didn't.

[Berries]

If it wasn't available they wouldn't be able to buy it.

If it was available in New World you could remove the gangs from the equation.

[Akzle]

Ahhhh commerce.

must spread

[Akzle]

Am I being cynical in wondering if this isn't a consequence of the tightening of rules around msd funds?


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Cynnical is not the word id use. Inappurtenant is.

[Akzle]

A few weeks back when the news was full of the new units in Auckland being found to be P contaminated already - and the authorities were blaming the tenants...I remarked to the wife that they were probably contaminated before the tenants moved in. I'd be very surprised if a fair amount of the new builds in chCh weren't contaminated too. The house you're building once it's roofed and wrapped is a good private place to go to on a quiet evening...

and smoked meth residue doesn't do fuck.
Yes, you can test for it, but you can also test for oxygen, and signs of intelligent life.
It's the manufcturing that's nasty.

[Akzle]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...inue-expansion

i liked this bit
"success hinged
on operating a business model"

it's funny, because as long as you're worried about blacks, you wont think too hard about banks and jews. Youll keep you head down and keep going to work and vote for the police to save you. Like they have. Ever.

[Akzle]

If only they solved their problems like people do in China...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news...ectid=11624658

consumption// err... Production fallen two thirds!??!

Lawdy lawdy!

Guess they must have filled those ghost cities and now need more debt// err... Jewgold// err.. GD"Productivity"
fuck,
stuppid coonts.

[jonbuoy]

The war on drugs seems to be about as successful and logical as the war on terror. Decriminalise it the price will drop through the floor - good chance it will self regulate through education like tobacco has. It's not like if they decriminalised tommorrow millions of people are going to rush out and try it. It's still going to be a shit drug and would fall out of favour for better alternatives.

[mashman]

The war on drugs seems to be about as successful and logical as the war on terror. Decriminalise it the price will drop through the floor - good chance it will self regulate through education like tobacco has. It's not like if they decriminalised tommorrow millions of people are going to rush out and try it. It's still going to be a shit drug and would fall out of favour for better alternatives.

+1... apart from the price drop.

[Laava]

The war on drugs seems to be about as successful and logical as the war on terror. Decriminalise it the price will drop through the floor - good chance it will self regulate through education like tobacco has. It's not like if they decriminalised tommorrow millions of people are going to rush out and try it. It's still going to be a shit drug and would fall out of favour for better alternatives.

I totally agree if you are talking about weed, but we are talking about P and decriminalising it is going to make fuck all difference. It is a much more antisocial drug than weed, much more dangerous to the individual and not easy to make or produce at home, unike weed which will essentially grow wild. So there will always be a criminal element to control the manufacture and supply.

[Edbear]

I think you missed the brain queue.

I'm not the one who introduced religion to a thread about meth wars in NZ...

[Banditbandit]

We have to ask ourselves, in this "South Pacific paradise' why we have one of the highest use/abuse of drug and alcohol rates in the world. Why do we have one of the highest suicide/Youth suicide rates in the world. (and all our other low performance statistics ..) Can't our people see that those two ideas might be linked?

People say drugs area 'gang problem' a 'health problem" ...

Bullshit - it's a social problem.

What is it about our society that people want to leave it - either by "getting out of it" or by topping themselves ??? What are people trying to escape from?

Until we can answer that question, and put in the appropriate social response, we will never win a "war of drugs".

[Ocean1]

We have to ask ourselves, in this "South Pacific paradise' why we have one of the highest use/abuse of drug and alcohol rates in the world. Why do we have one of the highest suicide/Youth suicide rates in the world. (and all our other low performance statistics ..) Can't our people see that those two ideas might be linked?

People say drugs area 'gang problem' a 'health problem" ...

Bullshit - it's a social problem.

What is it about our society that people want to leave it - either by "getting out of it" or by topping themselves ??? What are people trying to escape from?

Until we can answer that question, and put in the appropriate social response, we will never win a "war of drugs".

Do we have one of the highest drug abuse rates in the world? And I don't believe you're anywhere near the first person to link drugs with suicide. In fact you might be almost the slowest cab off that rank.

And yes, removing the focus of the problem from gangs and health providers and blaming "society" is an excellent way to redistribute the blame. More: it means it's down to "society" to "fix" the "problem".

Whereas in fact the problem, as defined by that "society" you're blaming for it can and should be laid squarely at the feet of the illegal distribution and use. Criminals. The ones who invariably blame "society" for pretty much everything.

[Paul in NZ]

Frankly I know more about building a space rocket than I do about meth, other than the shock horror stuff in the papers. The conventional wisdom seems to be that you only need to look at a piece of meth and you are hooked for life. Given the amount of the stuff being produced and (apparently) consumed – surely that can’t be right???

If tradesmen are using and still turning up for work – is this stuff really that addictive? I mean I’m sure it’s highly addictive and for some, instantly so but is it any worse than the demon drugs from my generation? Is there such a thing as a casual user?? Do people ever get off the stuff?

As for why do we have so many issues with drugs and alcohol? Maybe because we are all trying to be mini Americans in a place that can never be a mini America (or the film and TV version of). NZ needs a stronger local identity and a belief that actually it’s OK to be that way?