Friday Night Rants?

[russd7]

If you want some reading about barriers: http://trafinz.org.nz/workspace/down...dfcb668f97.pdf

cheers for that, with just a skim through it pretty much says what i was thinking.

need to take the emotion out of it and stop allowing it to cloud fact

[Maha]

So, as I said: what the fuck are all those posts doing there other than killing bikers?

Damn trees jumping out and getting in the way, should cut all those bastards down.

[eldog]

From NZTA.

A study of NZ motorcycle-barrier crash data from January 2001 to July 2013 shows of the 20 motorcycle fatalities following hitting a barrier, 13 were from W-beam and 3 from wire rope. It is worth noting that in this time period there were 97 fatalities from collision with posts or poles, 70 from hitting a traffic sign and 93 from crashing into unprotected trees.

Of the barrier collisions, the results show that wire rope safety barriers have around half the fatality rate of W-beam barriers and that concrete barriers are the most dangerous of all to motorcyclists.

Are we comparing apples with bananas?
and how many accidents per location, how many and what sort of accidents/injures happened wire rope vs conch barrier.

Entanglement can have a huge impact on a body sure might not kill them but will maim a motorcyclist. What we should be doing is reducing the level of injury.

If wire rope barriers were so effective then we should remove the concrete barriers along SH1 at green lane and see what happens when we replace them with wire rope.

Wire rope would see a reduction of speed for some time till people get used to it but overall I reckon that the average speed would decrease. Because of the fear factor WRB have people would pay more attention when driving, the number of crashes would reduce -> reduced deaths due to lower speed and number of accidents.

I will go and read Moi's further reading project.

its the posts that would cause major damage, by entanglement, concrete barriers would just slide.
people think concrete barriers OK I can go faster because 'I won't get crushed/entangled just brush/slide down the side'

I still think WRB and W types would improve a lot with a lower rail to stop riders from sliding into posts.

Read the report.....
statistics, statistics, damn statistics.

yeah I could have written that

it shows we like to ride in the afternoons in clear dry conditions, left handlers usually on a Monday, Wednesday and usually a Friday. We expect to be able to go faster so take more risks. Funny that most of the WRB are on the median lane perfect for hitting/sliding into on LH bends.
No info on the age group or if under influence of substance etc. or type of bike etc - sports, cruiser what ever.

[Ocean1]

Damn trees jumping out and getting in the way, should cut all those bastards down.

If I was worried about hitting trees I'd have given up the dirt bikes years ago.

You don't see too many beside main roads up here, pretty common further south. And compared to installing pretty much any safety feature at all cutting a few trees down is peanuts. So why have they not only not done that, but bung up enough artificial ones to kill an extra 97 bikers?

[nzspokes]

but as I said I bet you a pound to a pinch of shit that if they had to make WRB more friendly to bikers then we'd be using concrete.

My thoughts would be to have the wire rope all the way down to stop you sliding through and chopping bits off. Also spread the impact force over a bigger area.

But thats just a thought.

[Big Dog]

My thoughts would be to have the wire rope all the way down to stop you sliding through and chopping bits off. Also spread the impact force over a bigger area.

But thats just a thought.

The bod from transit reckoned the reason they stop at halfway is twofold.
1. 1.5 tonne and lighter cars end up back in their own lane on their roof having not been on their side.
2. larger wheeled 2 tonne cars tend to go straight over into the other lane if the angle of incidence is greater than about 20 degrees.

Neither is optimal when trying to catch a vehicle and deflect it back into its own lane.
Hence the ropes start above typical axle heights and where probable bumper height will be below the bottom wire.


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[nzspokes]

This popped up on FB a few days back. So quality riding right there.

https://youtu.be/i0pDvpEC_nc

[eldog]

The bod from transit reckoned the reason they stop at halfway is twofold.
1. 1.5 tonne and lighter cars end up back in their own lane on their roof having not been on their side.
2. larger wheeled 2 tonne cars tend to go straight over into the other lane if the angle of incidence is greater than about 20 degrees.

Neither is optimal when trying to catch a vehicle and deflect it back into its own lane.
Hence the ropes start above typical axle heights and where probable bumper height will be below the bottom wire.


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Sliding your arse down the road is usually lower than axle height unless your a great big dog?

[Big Dog]

Us but we only make up < 2% by volume. We are also statisticaly more likely to strike another vehicle than a median barrier.
Majority of road furniture struck by a motorcyclist is on the outside (left), not the inside.

I fort over have never nearly struck an item because I took a corner to tight.
I have nearly struck a barrier in the centre median. But trying to evade another vehicle.

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[Big Dog]

Sliding your arse down the road is usually lower than axle height unless your a great big dog?

Also if your already sliding on your are averages say you are heading toward the outside lane.

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[Maha]

If wire rope barriers were so effective then we should remove the concrete barriers along SH1 at green lane and see what happens when we replace them with wire rope.

Concrete barriers are not replaced with wire rope barriers, and especially not for experimental purposes.

No motorcyclist will argue that you would probably die if you hit one, as you probably would if you hit a truck/car head on where there are no barriers at all. They have installed WRB's on the northern side Brynderwyn's now with the widening upgrade. Noted that there is a 1.5mt strip where the wire rope is between the north and south bound lanes.

WRB's are cheaper than concrete barriers. That became evident when discussions were being had 5-6 years ago about this very subject.

[EJK]

This popped up on FB a few days back. So quality riding right there.

https://youtu.be/i0pDvpEC_nc

[eldog]

Also if your already sliding on your are averages say you are heading toward the outside lane.

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Are you sure? If you come off midcorner aren't you heading toward the apex and toward a Web on the median.
Toward the median?

[eldog]

You need to factor in lifetime of Web vs Concrete ones. The repair.maintenence cost would be higher in Wrb
There would be less cost for a rider injured on a conc barrier as opposed to web

Maybe we should set up a controlled test part wrb part conc

[Drew]

Or perhaps...every cunt could just fuck up and stop crying about something that just isn't a fucken issue.

Cunts.